The New R1200RT - Page 2

Rpbump · 11-05-2009, 08:26 PM

After a few more years and 40>50 thousand miles on my present ride the new RT would seem to be the logical next step for me. I like to buy a machine that has been produced for at least 2 years hopefully, avoiding glitches that seem to arrive with a new model. I plan on retiring in 2012 so the timing will coincide with my preferences.
Ride safe

jimshaw · 11-05-2009, 08:33 PM

If I had the slightest glucose intolerance before reading this, I would be a brittle diabetic after. Gotta love their improving on the already supreme.

I did not read any mention of the amazing, disintegrating final drive seals. I did notice the ever increasing list of options. Gotta overcome that US$/EU$.

Buy one, ride it, and let me know how it works.

Jim

Bill_D · 11-06-2009, 09:51 AM

Could it be this line was lost in translation?

Knock control allows the engine to run on 95-98 RON premium (plus) fuel.

Are We trying to say the hex head motor runs good on 87-89 octane but better on premium fuel - only?

Premium fuel & Cheap BMW Riders? Gasp!

jimshaw · 11-06-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill_D

Could it be this line was lost in translation?

Knock control allows the engine to run on 95-98 RON premium (plus) fuel.

Are We trying to say the hex head motor runs good on 87-89 octane but better on premium fuel - only?

Premium fuel & Cheap BMW Riders? Gasp!

I don't think that's what it means. First of all, understand that EU fuels numbers (RON) are different than US numbers ((R+M/2)). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

What they are saying is that the use of anti-knock techniques in the engine computer allow the bike to take advantage of higher octane, while still allowing the bike to run on lower octane.

Jim

Semper_Fi · 11-06-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KBasa

The new ESA II sounds interesting.

I had ESA on my RT and thought it was great.

I got ESA II on the GT, (assume it will/is the same for the '10 RT), and there is a noticable difference, in a better way.

The various ranges are much more noticbale and what i think is better is that the settings cover a wider range.

For example Rider + Luggage on ESA I would get too harsh/choppy if riding slow w/o saddlebags

On ESA II i can leave it on 1 + Luggage w/o saddlebags and it does not become choppy, stiffer yes but still compliant.

I think all the model year changes are great.

Yes you have to deal with the UJM turn signals, and the urine sample reservoirs but you get over that quickly, at least i did.

Enjoy your new RT folks, it's going to be awesome!!

Bill_D · 11-07-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jimshaw

I don't think that's what it means. First of all, understand that EU fuels numbers (RON) are different than US numbers ((R+M/2)). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

What they are saying is that the use of anti-knock techniques in the engine computer allow the bike to take advantage of higher octane, while still allowing the bike to run on lower octane.

Jim

Jim, Thank you for explanation.

jamesdunn · 11-07-2009, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimshaw

If I had the slightest glucose intolerance before reading this, I would be a brittle diabetic after. Gotta love their improving on the already supreme.

I did not read any mention of the amazing, disintegrating final drive seals. I did notice the ever increasing list of options. Gotta overcome that US$/EU$.

Buy one, ride it, and let me know how it works.

Jim

Jim, BMW press releases always read that way, "sugary". Do they want to make last years model seem obsolete? Hey you bought last year, but buy again this year, this year's model is 200% better! Why, that is practically an antique you're riding!

wezul · 11-07-2009, 08:40 AM

Too true, James. But in all fairness we could not expect them to say, "hey, our new product really isn't that much better than last year's model, you are well to keep what you own".

The point of press releases like this is to build excitement, agreed?

Mika · 11-07-2009, 10:43 AM

Mr. Shaw has a long standing distain for press releases cut and pasted into ON. In most cases I agree that in ON we’re looking for the information with analysis and criticism included.

On the forum his post is more of a hijack than a discussion of the content of the release. I obviously have no problem with posting a press release in the form BMW or others published it getting it out there for discussion. The member discussion is where I expect the analysis and criticism of the release’s content. We see and overlook different things. We bring differing needs and experience to the discussion.

The sugar shock wording of the press release is part of its content, I will grant him that, but forum area is Motorrad so to my eye it is more of a hijack. Press releases have all sorts of purposes depending on the reader. Here I had hoped the discussion would stay on the new bike, its features while avoiding the mandatory digs at BMW press releases and final drive problems with other models.

YMMV

jamesdunn · 11-07-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wezul

Too true, James. But in all fairness we could not expect them to say, "hey, our new product really isn't that much better than last year's model, you are well to keep what you own".

The point of press releases like this is to build excitement, agreed?

Agree. Creative writing is expressed in press releases and, that is as it should be. What press release would say, for example, "The new 2010 RT, a boring bike for the masses! Featuring second rate technology and weak performance!" And as noted by Mika, Jim and myself have wandered off topic. The new RT is truly a marvelous machine and representative of some of the best design and engineering available. Hey, I am not knocking the new RT. I want BMW to do well and have a successful intro. of the new RT. Wish I could afford one, though it is not yet anyway, my type of machine, it would be nice if BMW still had an RS style bike to offer in the oilhead line. I wish they had not folded their tent with the removal of the R1200ST, really the end of the RS oilhead line. But, I am happy riding old or buying used as long.... as I am riding!

marchyman · 11-07-2009, 03:18 PM

I think it is also important to remember that the press releases are written for the general public, not just BMW aficionados who know the intimate details of every yearly change. Thus the release mentions all the features of the bike, not just those added this particular year. That fact seems to confuse some, evidenced by comments like "but the '08 model had that, too". Yep, and the '07, and '06, etc.

It can be hard to tell what is actually new from a press release. Bring up the specs for the various years side-by-side and you'll get a better, but still incomplete picture.

Zygmund · 11-08-2009, 08:37 AM

Love that the RT keeps evolving and the Boxer lives on!

11-05-2009, 08:33 PM	#17
jimshaw Ambassador at Large Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hinckley, Ohio USA Posts: 63	Sugary sweet prose If I had the slightest glucose intolerance before reading this, I would be a brittle diabetic after. Gotta love their improving on the already supreme. I did not read any mention of the amazing, disintegrating final drive seals. I did notice the ever increasing list of options. Gotta overcome that US$/EU$. Buy one, ride it, and let me know how it works. Jim

11-07-2009, 10:43 AM	#24
Mika Still Wondering Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On reconnaissance Posts: 7,458	Mr. Shaw has a long standing distain for press releases cut and pasted into ON. In most cases I agree that in ON we’re looking for the information with analysis and criticism included. On the forum his post is more of a hijack than a discussion of the content of the release. I obviously have no problem with posting a press release in the form BMW or others published it getting it out there for discussion. The member discussion is where I expect the analysis and criticism of the release’s content. We see and overlook different things. We bring differing needs and experience to the discussion. The sugar shock wording of the press release is part of its content, I will grant him that, but forum area is Motorrad so to my eye it is more of a hijack. Press releases have all sorts of purposes depending on the reader. Here I had hoped the discussion would stay on the new bike, its features while avoiding the mandatory digs at BMW press releases and final drive problems with other models. YMMV __________________ Pass the mustard and UP THE REVOLUTION!

11-07-2009, 03:18 PM	#26
marchyman Registered Curmudgeon Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 766	I think it is also important to remember that the press releases are written for the general public, not just BMW aficionados who know the intimate details of every yearly change. Thus the release mentions all the features of the bike, not just those added this particular year. That fact seems to confuse some, evidenced by comments like "but the '08 model had that, too". Yep, and the '07, and '06, etc. It can be hard to tell what is actually new from a press release. Bring up the specs for the various years side-by-side and you'll get a better, but still incomplete picture. __________________ /\/\arc — R1200GS plus farkles and R69S (restored)

11-08-2009, 08:37 AM	#27
Zygmund Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: State of Hockey Posts: 104	Love that the RT keeps evolving and the Boxer lives on! __________________ "Cemoto"

11-05-2009, 08:26 PM	#16
Rpbump Rpbump USN RET CPO Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 401	After a few more years and 40>50 thousand miles on my present ride the new RT would seem to be the logical next step for me. I like to buy a machine that has been produced for at least 2 years hopefully, avoiding glitches that seem to arrive with a new model. I plan on retiring in 2012 so the timing will coincide with my preferences. Ride safe

11-06-2009, 09:51 AM	#18
Bill_D Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Middletown Ct. Posts: 17	Could it be this line was lost in translation? Knock control allows the engine to run on 95-98 RON premium (plus) fuel. Are We trying to say the hex head motor runs good on 87-89 octane but better on premium fuel - only? Premium fuel & Cheap BMW Riders? Gasp!

11-07-2009, 08:40 AM	#23
wezul goin' 90, I ain't scary Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Glen Ellyn, IL Posts: 2,239	Too true, James. But in all fairness we could not expect them to say, "hey, our new product really isn't that much better than last year's model, you are well to keep what you own". The point of press releases like this is to build excitement, agreed?