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    Angry Civic Center PA System

    I will admit that my hearing is not the best in the world ( as I'm a BMW rider you know I'm old), however "WHAT LANGUAGE WERE THEY SPEAKING SATURDAY NIGHT" ????
    This was my first National as I just joined MOA 3 years ago, I have heard that in the past the sound systems have been bad. How could they make the same mistake again? Someone should have tied it out before hand. Luckily they were calling out ticket numbers for the drawings, that was about all I could understand.
    I would have enjoyed the closing ceremonies if I could have heard what was going on. It wasn't the volume it was the clearity!

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    Thumbs up

    I completely agree, the users (Ray Z etc) should have been instructed/tested out before ceremonies began. As any of you who have played with PAs before know, high pitched voices are less prone to echo/reverb & are easier to understand. There is also a pausing between words that can help, something a couple of users were doing. Safe to say, the PA of the building is less than current tech offers....

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    I was sitting on the right side (looking towards the Team Xtreme setup) and I could understand everything fine, and everyone around me said the same thing. I thought the heckling was ridiculous, annoying and obnoxious and I would've expected such behavior from a group of children, not supposed grownups. Maybe the stadium had speaker problems on your side of the room, but I do think they were doing the best they could with what they had to work with. Some voices did carry better than others over the mics also. I also heard another person from waayyy up top yelling out that they couldn't even see there ticket. Well duh, the lights weren't on up top, so don't sit there. Maybe they did test out the sound system ahead of time, and maybe it worked fine when no one was in the room, who knows. But the people who won that were there heard well enough, and I wasn't one of them, so I'm happy for their good fortune.

    Each year I believe the rally volunteers work very hard to make things run as smoothly as possible. So many people (not necessarily you) complain but offer no help. I hope you all can make it to Spokane next year, when it's back to the "traditional" all in one place rally setting. It's much more "rally" like instead of "convention" like. Above all, enjoy the ride.

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    The PA was difficult. We were using the house PA system and apparently they were having difficulty with one of the amplifiers.

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    Unhappy PA system

    I was sitting on the second level on the left side of the Coliseum and was only able to understand about 10% of what was said during the closing ceremony. All those around me had the same problem and that is what brought on the "rowdy" behavior. We all were concentrating on what was being said and it was very frustrating to not understand any of it--especially the MC. I am sure it was frustrating for him as well to see the nasty reaction many in the crowd were exhibiting--is two little temper tantrums didn't help.

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    Originally posted by vickielman
    I was sitting on the right side (looking towards the Team Xtreme setup) and I could understand everything fine, and everyone around me said the same thing. I thought the heckling was ridiculous, annoying and obnoxious and I would've expected such behavior from a group of children, not supposed grownups. Maybe the stadium had speaker problems on your side of the room, but I do think they were doing the best they could with what they had to work with. Some voices did carry better than others over the mics also. I also heard another person from waayyy up top yelling out that they couldn't even see there ticket. Well duh, the lights weren't on up top, so don't sit there. Maybe they did test out the sound system ahead of time, and maybe it worked fine when no one was in the room, who knows. But the people who won that were there heard well enough, and I wasn't one of them, so I'm happy for their good fortune.

    Each year I believe the rally volunteers work very hard to make things run as smoothly as possible. So many people (not necessarily you) complain but offer no help.

    ditto

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    Greetings,

    As you may imagine I am having a difficult time reconciling my recent experience in Charleston with how I use my vacation time.

    As the MC of the closing I accept full responsibility for the problems with the show. We rehearsed it, we practiced with the microphones and we had a professional staff in charge of lights and sound. Unfortunately it did not work out the way we hoped.

    Without going into all the details of the moment here is what I could hear on the floor.

    This sucks!
    You suck!
    What a cluster****!
    **** you!
    This rally SUCKS ASS!
    Booooo!

    This coupled with being the knife catcher for everything that happened at the University campus had me right at the very end of what is usually a very long rope.

    Regardless, my response was inappropriate and for this I sincerely apologize to each and every member of the organization.

    With many regrets,
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    Rob,
    While I was frustrated at the inability to understand a lot of what was said I also realize that sometimes things get overlooked in setup.

    You all did a great job in planning a very difficult rally format. I may not have liked the multi site arrangement but I could appreciate the work that went into it. The only thing that I can say bugged me about it was the lack of signage around town to easily get from one place to another when I wasn't on a bus.

    Again, I really understand your frustration at being heckled, on a positive note when you came back from backstage after taking a deep breath you slowed down your talking and I could understand you completely. If you guys could make all closing ceremonies 59 minutes long it could be the start of something incredible, thanks for all of your hard work.

    JB

    Originally posted by Rob Nye
    Greetings,

    As you may imagine I am having a difficult time reconciling my recent experience in Charleston with how I use my vacation time.

    As the MC of the closing I accept full responsibility for the problems with the show. We rehearsed it, we practiced with the microphones and we had a professional staff in charge of lights and sound. Unfortunately it did not work out the way we hoped.

    Without going into all the details of the moment here is what I could hear on the floor.

    This sucks!
    You suck!
    What a cluster****!
    **** you!
    This rally SUCKS ASS!
    Booooo!

    This coupled with being the knife catcher for everything that happened at the University campus had me right at the very end of what is usually a very long rope.

    Regardless, my response was inappropriate and for this I sincerely apologize to each and every member of the organization.

    With many regrets,

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    Civic center PA system

    Must have been an amplifer. Started out behind
    the audio mixing crew. Could not understand
    anything that was being said. moved around to the
    other side of the arena and the sound improved
    100%.

    Bill

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    Closing Ceremonies PA System

    I couldn't hear much of anything being said at the closing ceremonies. I moved from the upper level to the lower level. It didn't help. I asked the guys at the PA mixing board what was going on. One of them said "We're having technical problems." None of them were doing anything, so I guess they figured there was nothing that could be done to help the situation. When my band has a problem with sound reinforcment for vocals in a "boomy" room, we can usually EQ most of it out by backing off all of the bass, & cranking the treble way up. Most of the time, this fixes the problem. I wonder if this would have fixed the problem Saturday night. The guys at the sound mixing board didn't seem keen to try some fixes, so I just sat back down. I didn't yell, but I didn't think most of the yelling was rude. People were just saying "We can't hear you!"

    Other than the closing ceremonies being a complete train wreck, I thought the rally was great. I appreciate all of the volunteer time that went into making the rally such a success. Thank you, volunteers and event organizers, for a fun four days.

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    We were on the right side of the venue and heard well. I felt bad for Voni, Paul, and Rob while being heckled. You could tell that they had prepared and were trying to make the awards ceremony click and not drag. Rob's response would have come a lot quicker from me. It's not an easy job to put on a rally. The logistic alone are a nightmare. Some do not realize the attention to detail that has to be made in order to get something like this off the ground. I thank all, chairs, volunteers, and vendors who made this a enjoyable rally. Yes, it was different. If you don't try something new then you won't know if you'll like it or not.

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    My wife was sitting in the area that could not hear...and there was a problem. A problem beyond BMWMOA control. It's called a blown amplifier. About a week before our event the amplifier blew and it was not repaired. Of course it was show time when the problem became evident. So, those sitting on the right side could hear and those on the left could not. We're all aware of Murphy's Law, so you do the best you can and move forward. A BIG THANKS to all the VOLUNTEERS who helped with this year's event.

    Ride safe and see you down the road...


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    I was sitting dead center and during the ceremony. I also had the privilage of being on the floor for a few minutes. I can tell you without a doubt something was completely wrong the PA system. I couldn't hear where I sitting. I'm surprised I even heard my name being called out. I was even more surprised at how clear the PA system was on the floor when I got down there. When off stage, I did let many people know that half the of the speakers were not working and that no one on side of the area could hear anything.

    Believe me -- WE WEREN'T HECKLING -- We simply couldn't hear, no one said there was a problem or admitted there was a problem. Heck, we would have rathered they stopped for five to fix the problem.

    If there is anyone to blame for the PA system, it was the sound guys for not doing something about it. I just hope the MOA staff renegotiated a lower rate since they couldn't do the job they were paid to do.

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    Rob;


    My wife and I were sitting about 8'clock at the top of the lower level. We couldn't hear a thing! However, I didn't hear any of the heckling of the sort you indicate. Some clown sitting near us did holler something about speaking slowly, that sounded a bit sarcastic, but otherwise "I" didn't hear the 'FU' comments you refer to hearing.

    I am embarrased (sic?) FOR the team up front, I felt bad for them, as obviously, something had gone wrong.

    There were a number of things that I'll discuss w/ someone who can relay this info to you and others that can actually do something about it rather than just rant here.

    Good luck, sorry for the unfortunate occurrances
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    I didn't really get to hear any of the names of the people on the microphones. There was one person who "got it," though, and spoke slowly and clearly and despite the LOUSY sound system, he was understandable. He was the ONLY one. Every one else either held the microphone too close, or spoke as though they were talking to someone standing right next to them. In either case, it sounded just like Charlie Brown's teacher in all of those "Peanuts" television specials. We moved around a bit but couldn't find any place that sounded any clearer. We were originally up in the upper seats and it was absolutely frustrating. At one point, one of the people dropped the mike to his side and we could hear his normal, spoken voice more clearly than his amplified voice on the mike. They were yelling "Stop using the mike!!" but I don't think it was heard down on the auditorium floor.
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