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    turn signal reminder

    Hi guys, getting on in years now , and my turn signal light (on the rev/ speedo )on my 1977 r100 s/rs, has,nt worked for years,I keep forgetting to cancell them !, is there an aftermarket signal reminder kit available ?before I cause an accident!!thanks in advance,Jimmy

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    My 1978 R100/7 has a audible indicator that sounds with the turn signal. It is similar to the back-up warning noise on modern commercial vehicles and equipment. I think some owners may have at some point disabled this signal thinking that it is an annoyance. Your bike may or may not have had this feature at one time. If it did come that way originally, the parts may or may not still be present. The wiring diagram for the 1978, /7 models show this circuit. You might be able to duplicate it if you could obtain the right parts.

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    My 78 RS had a beeper, I assume it was a factory installation since it looked like it came with the bike new. I took it off immediately, I found the volt meter a better indication that the turn signals were on. It would swing back and forth as the turn signals flashed, alerting me that they were on. I am sure someone here still has a beeper, I don't though. Mine went into the garbage as soon as it came off.

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    1978 beepers

    Hi guys, yes I know about the 1978 beeper ,should have said, I had a new 1978 r80/7,and also disconnected it the first week, I used to use my old voltmeter fluctions, but since fitting new clock and voltmeter, it is damped and does not flick as the origonal, on with the search !!

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    kirsan signalminder

    found a write up in an old bmw club uk journal, nippy normans ,no longer stock it but, on line I came up with this Kisan signalminder SM1 for 1987 to 1992 R100RS $109,95, off on holiday to Europe until late August,but will check diffences in wiring between 1977 and 1987, if any, getting there! Jimmy

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    You don't need a buzzer made for a bike. Goto your local electronics store and get a piezo buzzer with a built in driver. Get the loudest one you can get. Hook the hot wire to both turn signals with a diode in each lead. Hook the other end of the buzzer to ground. I did this on my 04 RT and it works fine except for I didn't get one that is loud enough.
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    These are all great ideas but wouldn't it be easier to just fix the turn signal bulb problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy wanderer View Post
    These are all great ideas but wouldn't it be easier to just fix the turn signal bulb problem?
    That's what I was thinking too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimwjarmour View Post
    Hi guys, getting on in years now , and my turn signal light (on the rev/ speedo )on my 1977 r100 s/rs, has,nt worked for years,I keep forgetting to cancell them !, is there an aftermarket signal reminder kit available ?before I cause an accident!!thanks in advance,Jimmy
    The Kisan signalminder works great for me. Not too hard to wire in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Lee View Post
    The Kisan signalminder works great for me. Not too hard to wire in.
    Nifty devices other than the parasitic current it draws when the bike is not in use. For that reason alone I would never install one.
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    current draw ?

    Quote Originally Posted by happy wanderer View Post
    Nifty devices other than the parasitic current it draws when the bike is not in use. For that reason alone I would never install one.
    Hi, I cant help wondering why there would a current draw when not in use,?,what does (parasitic) mean,? ,wont buy one until I return from holiday,please advise thank you so much, Jimmy

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    An example of parasitic draw is the electric clock on a bike. It is always on and drawing power from the battery. I would suspect the new electronic keying, which knows if a proper key is near the bike, would be another example.

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    Kisan Signal Minder draws 4.7mA parasitic load

    Quote Originally Posted by WalterK75 View Post
    An example of parasitic draw is the electric clock on a bike. It is always on and drawing power from the battery. I would suspect the new electronic keying, which knows if a proper key is near the bike, would be another example.

    If I'm wrong, corrections accepted.
    Both great examples and you are quite correct. Many electronic devices draw what is known as parasitic current from your battery even though they appear to be off or unused. This is more common on computer controlled bikes like the Oilheads and newer than airheads but nevertheless, the clock and other devices you might have connected to the battery like a GPS cradle for example (yes it draws power with NO GPS in it!) and other such devices can slowly drain the battery.

    A member over in the Oilheads Forum had a charging issue on his bike that prompted him to measure static current draw on his battery. He had the ECU, the RID and a Kisan Signal Minder to take into consideration. Surprisingly the worst offender was the Kisan. It draws 4.7mA when not in use.

    I will borrow Guenther's fine example of what this means in real terms: (4.7mA * 1,000 hours) = 4.7Ah in 41 days.

    So if your total battery capacity is 28 Amp Hours that signal minder will drain almost 1/6th (16.5%) in 41 days.
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    signal reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Lee View Post
    The Kisan signalminder works great for me. Not too hard to wire in.
    Hi, have you installed it on an airhead, mine is a 1977 the site supplies them for 1985 to 1992 ? r bikes, thanks guys ,Jimmy

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimwjarmour View Post
    Hi, have you installed it on an airhead, mine is a 1977 the site supplies them for 1985 to 1992 ? r bikes, thanks guys ,Jimmy
    When the stock 15-pin unit on my '93 R100R failed three years ago I replaced it with a Kisan signalMinder SM-6 with Run-Turn-Brake functions. As well as the selectable automatic turn signal timeout I have the running light (all four turn signal on at reduced intensity) and the brake flash (flashes the turn signals in a quick to slow pattern every time the brake light is energized). Works well. I think the 15-pin model is correct for all '92 model year and later paralever airheads.

    I think the SM-1 model is the correct replacement for the 3-pin relay used on monolever and earlier paralever airheads but you need to install small return springs in the handlebar switch to bias the toggle to the off/neutral position to get the benefits of the selectable automatic turn signal timeout feature.

    I think some the dual-shock airheads used the same 3-pin relay as the monolevers and others used 4-pin relays. Easy to see the differences......
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