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    Lucky People...

    ...and I'm not one of them.

    Problem Number 1: So today I had a shop mount new Michelin PR3s while I ran to Re-Psycle in Columbus to get crush washers and brake pads for a minor tune up on my 94 R1100RS. I picked them up and went home to get started. The rear went on fine, and then when I got to the front I realized the front tire was installed backwards.. Dang!!

    This is the way it's mounted (which is wrong)

    IMG_20140321_214755242_HDR.jpg



    It actually seems right in that it would appear that water would channel from the center to the outside. I did some searching around and other folks have had the same questions/issue. I then found this French video which shows that mine is in fact mounted backwards

    Pneu Pilot Road 3

    So... properly mounted the tread should be this way.....

    IMG_20140321_214745499.jpg

    Seems counter-intuitive to me (and apparently the guy that mounted it), so tomorrow morning I get to go argue with them and try to get them to fix it.

    In case any of you are doubter's (I wouldn't blame you) look at this:

    IMG_20140321_213757667.jpg

    I'll post up problem Number 2 in a subsequent post to show photos

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    Even though I change my own tires, I use a grease pencil to mark rotation on both sides of the wheel. The tire changer should have noted that when removing the old tire.
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    Yup, it's on backwards.

    Bet it is not the first one they did that way.
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    Not to mention that the lay up of the tire materials won't be right if run backwards relative to the forces it typically sees...the braking forces.
    Kurt -- Forum Administrator ---> Resources and Links Thread <---
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    Fessing up...

    Well, I decided to go look at the old tire before I drove down to the Tire Store just to make sure the PO didn't have it on backwards to start with and lo and behold he did, so the tire store guys "correctly" replaced the "incorrectly installed" original.

    The old tire is Bridgestone. Here it is on the bike the way I bought it:



    You can see the awful wear pattern in the photo. Now I know why. It never occurred to me to check the tire for correct mounting. I bought this bike last August but haven't done anything with it until now. When I rode it home it was obvious it had a problem I just didn't take the time until now to get around to working on it.

    Here is a closeup of the direction arrow relative to the tread grooves:

    P1030990.jpg

    So it was installed backwards by the PO and not noticed by me. Oh well, live and learn. I guess the 30 bucks I was going to buy Bondhus hex sockets with is now going to the tire guy on Monday. I already wrote him and apologized. He seems like a good guy, maybe he'll cut me a break on the remount.


    On a different note I'm looking at getting my own mounting equipment. Tons to read on line about that!
    Last edited by tt100; 03-22-2014 at 02:17 PM. Reason: correction

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    Dual disks? Maybe simply reverse the wheel...seems too simple for that.
    Kurt -- Forum Administrator ---> Resources and Links Thread <---
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    mine-ineye-deatheah-pielayah-jooa-kalayus. oolah-minane-hay-meeriah-kal-oyus-algay-a-thaykin', buddy!

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    And you're not so unlucky. Any person who gets to spend time working on and riding motorcycles is not unlucky. You are a lucky man that had a minor dip in your Luck-O-Meter, but the luck is still flowing.
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    ABS Ring

    Quote Originally Posted by 20774 View Post
    Dual disks? Maybe simply reverse the wheel...seems too simple for that.

    It's a 94RS with ABS so the ring is left mounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    And you're not so unlucky. Any person who gets to spend time working on and riding motorcycles is not unlucky. You are a lucky man that had a minor dip in your Luck-O-Meter, but the luck is still flowing.
    Right! I said as much in my other lucky post. So far on forum I'm 0-2! Thanks all for the help and comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by tt100 View Post
    It's a 94RS with ABS so the ring is left mounted.
    10-4!
    Kurt -- Forum Administrator ---> Resources and Links Thread <---
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    mine-ineye-deatheah-pielayah-jooa-kalayus. oolah-minane-hay-meeriah-kal-oyus-algay-a-thaykin', buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobmws View Post
    Even though I change my own tires, I use a grease pencil to mark rotation on both sides of the wheel. The tire changer should have noted that when removing the old tire.
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bud View Post
    Yup, it's on backwards.

    Bet it is not the first one they did that way.
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    And you're not so unlucky. Any person who gets to spend time working on and riding motorcycles is not unlucky. You are a lucky man that had a minor dip in your Luck-O-Meter, but the luck is still flowing.
    And this.

    Thanks for the pics, they make everything more interesting.
    Question:
    How did you figger out the old tire was mounted backwards after it was off?
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    Post #5

    I had my buddy that has the tire take a picture with the arrow and tread in the shot and then compared it to a photo I had of the bike with the tire mounted. If you look at the closeup in post #5 you'll see the direction of the tread

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    Happens...
    I had changed a set for a friend...had the new tire checked and double checked laying on floor for rotation. The owner,while I was lubing rim, pick up tire to look at it and set it down flipped. I didn't check again as I had just set it in pre-mount position...and checked twice. Just did not see him.

    He called me a few minutes after he left and stopped to fuel and check pressure saying it was on backwards...No way, but come back. I asked if he had moved the tire and he said he had I left it at that...both of our faults. I use the grease pencil more than I used to now!

    Anyways, I flipped and re-checked balance and didn't beat him too badly
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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
    Happens...
    I had changed a set for a friend...had the new tire checked and double checked laying on floor for rotation. The owner,while I was lubing rim, pick up tire to look at it and set it down flipped. I didn't check again as I had just set it in pre-mount position...and checked twice. Just did not see him.

    He called me a few minutes after he left and stopped to fuel and check pressure saying it was on backwards...No way, but come back. I asked if he had moved the tire and he said he had I left it at that...both of our faults. I use the grease pencil more than I used to now!

    Anyways, I flipped and re-checked balance and didn't beat him too badly
    Which is exactly why customers should not be allowed in the shop!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSAddict View Post
    Which is exactly why customers should not be allowed in the shop!
    He wasn't a customer. He was a guy getting the free mounting by a friend of his.
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