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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmylee View Post
    Those "rules" you talk about weren't on the 10 commandment tablets of stone. They can be changed. I try to abide by them (in spite of the fact that some get by with preferential treatment), but sometimes one has to speak up.

    The second problem is that the "rules" are interpreted by the mods, and certainly their interpretations are not without bias. Who saying what matters.


    This is addressed to EVERYONE:

    PLEASE!
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    Moderator actions are final, and moderators are not to be harassed either publicly or via PM. If you feel that you have been treated unfairly by a moderator, then your course of action is to bring the issue to the attention of the Forum Liaison at liaison@bmwmoa.org. It will help to have a complete explanation of your thoughts with links to specific threads and posts, so that the liaison can get an understanding of your side of the issue.

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    Your issues should be taken up with the FORUM LIASON NOT continually posted on the forum. (Has anyone actually contacted him???)

    We have received NUMEROUS complaints about SEVERAL posters recently in this and the Philip Seymour Hoffman thread. If the tone and content don't change our next step according to the GUIDELINES is:



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    The forum software provides a facility called infractions. The basic idea is that moderators can issue an infraction against a user that violates the posting guidelines. Infractions build up points, and when the point total reaches certain levels, the user is automatically banned. The length of time a ban lasts depends on how many points the user has acquired. The points also expire after a while, so a user's point total will tend to return to zero.

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    PLEASE, EVERYONE, just take it down a notch or two. Resist the urge for tit for tat useless oneupsmanship and the moderators can and will back out of the picture.






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    Quote Originally Posted by 98lee View Post
    Or said another way... If you don't like the Posting Guidelines...you don't come inside and ignore them. You go to where the rules match how and what you want to discuss.




    And just how ? did I ignore the guidelines?. By not agreeing with you ? Having a different perspective on the issue than some others?
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    PLEASE. Give it a rest and read post #46 one more time.

    If you have an issue with the guidelines (the whole point of this thread) take it up with the Forum Liason.

    Thanks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post
    And just how ? did I ignore the guidelines?. By not agreeing with you ? Having a different perspective on the issue than some others?
    +1, Gunny; just went back and read all Ron's comments, an obvious guideline violation is certainly not jumping off the page at me! jes' sayin' and nuff said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98lee View Post
    PLEASE. Give it a rest and read post #46 one more time.

    If you have an issue with the guidelines (the whole point of this thread) take it up with the Forum Liason.

    Thanks.




    OK, just read it. Show me where I ignored , whatever you seem to think I ignored ?

    I have no issue with the guidelines , and stayed within them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post

    So by closing a thread you are saying that even though this is a paid membership , we as members cannot discuss what we choose to ? legal issues/topics,.. even in a civil manner?.
    That is correct. Since you obviously disagree, your next step should be to take it up with the Forum Liason, NOT to continue argueing on this forum.


    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post
    Or said another way...if you do not like the topic...you wait outside by not opening the thread & then complaining about what is being discussed....
    That is not what the Guidelines say. If you disagree with the guidelines, talk to the Forum Liason.





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    Jim C. / Ron / Don -

    I respect your efforts to try and establish a level playing field on this Forum, but for now, I think that's an unrealistic goal.

    While I too can read English, and therefore understand (not the same as 'agreeing') that firearms, abortion, politics, religion, etc. shall not be subjects of commentary, it's frustrating when certain personalities seem to enjoy immunity, even when characterizing my faith as "pollution."

    That verbiage was brought to the attention of moderators and the response is a private matter between him and I, but it didn't leave me satisfied.

    I think any further bantering here is counter-productive to solving these issues (civility, topics that are or should be tolerated, deviation from topics, moderation bias, etc.).

    I hope to see Bob (Executive Director) this weekend at the IMS in Chicago for a face-to-face chat on how the Forum might be altered, managed and/or improved.

    Until then, I suggest a "stand-down" and let comments/responses bounce off thick skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98lee View Post
    Or said another way... If you don't like the Posting Guidelines...you don't come inside and ignore them. You go to where the rules match how and what you want to discuss.
    Some will and when renewal comes around.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
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    While I too can read English, and therefore understand (not the same as 'agreeing') that firearms, abortion, politics, religion, etc. shall not be subjects of commentary, it's frustrating when certain personalities seem to enjoy immunity, even when characterizing my faith as "pollution."
    Kevin,

    Taking into account your previous employment, I would have expected accuracy to be high on your priorities.

    In that interest, here is the complete quote:

    There are a few thousand places on the internet where you all are free to preach or yell at each other regarding drugs, addiction, sexuality, politics, religion, guns, or whatever you want. But on this BMW motorcycle fourm this is all just pollution. Please go pollute someplace else.


    The operative words here are: PREACH OR YELL REGARDING. That is what is POLLUTION. Since Forum discussions of drugs, sexuality, politics, religion, or guns generally end up with a lot of yelling and preaching they BECOME pollution.

    The subject (or your religion) was NOT characterized as pollution, the inevitable preaching or yelling that would come of such a discussion is what was characterized as pollution. NO ONE ATTACKED YOUR RELIGION. That's EXACTLY what we as moderarors are trying our damndest to prevent by trying to keep to the guidelines.




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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    Jim C. / Ron / Don -

    I respect your efforts to try and establish a level playing field on this Forum, but for now, I think that's an unrealistic goal.

    While I too can read English, and therefore understand (not the same as 'agreeing') that firearms, abortion, politics, religion, etc. shall not be subjects of commentary, it's frustrating when certain personalities seem to enjoy immunity, even when characterizing my faith as "pollution."

    That verbiage was brought to the attention of moderators and the response is a private matter between him and I, but it didn't leave me satisfied.

    I think any further bantering here is counter-productive to solving these issues (civility, topics that are or should be tolerated, deviation from topics, moderation bias, etc.).

    I hope to see Bob (Executive Director) this weekend at the IMS in Chicago for a face-to-face chat on how the Forum might be altered, managed and/or improved.

    Until then, I suggest a "stand-down" and let comments/responses bounce off thick skin.

    I have never displayed [thin] skin. And see nowhere that I went outside the guidelines. I only expressed my opinion on a current event. and that opinion differ's from that of some other members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98lee View Post
    That is correct. Since you obviously disagree, your next step should be to take it up with the Forum Liason, NOT to continue argueing on this forum.




    That is not what the Guidelines say. If you disagree with the guidelines, talk to the Forum Liason.







    Common sense would tell [me] to not open a thread if I do like the subject. As opposed to opening it then telling another poster he/she has no right post it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98lee View Post
    The subject (or your religion) was NOT characterized as pollution, the inevitable preaching or yelling that would come of such a discussion is what was characterized as pollution. NO ONE ATTACKED YOUR RELIGION. That's EXACTLY what we as moderarors are trying our damndest to prevent by trying to keep to the guidelines.




    Lee,

    You are fighting the good fight. I wish you well and find it humorous that they decided to take the issue to the executive director instead of the board.

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    [QUOTE=greenwald;922133]Jim C. / Ron / Don -


    While I too can read English, and therefore understand (not the same as 'agreeing') that firearms, abortion, politics, religion, etc. shall not be subjects of commentary, it's frustrating when certain personalities seem to enjoy immunity, even when characterizing my faith as "pollution."


    I think any further bantering here is counter-productive to solving these issues (civility, topics that are or should be tolerated, deviation from topics, moderation bias, etc.).


    + 100 Kevin

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    Some folks are an argument looking for a place to happen. Keep fighting the good fight mods.
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    I don't come to a motorcycle forum to hear people bickering about politics or anything like that. There is an off topic thread on another forum I belong to and it is simple enough to avoid and not go in that thread because it only irritates me. The moderators however do have to deal with it and constantly monitor it. I wouldn't want to deal with it. Gets old quick I'm sure. People can't seem to agree to disagree and then it get's ugly. I agree with akbeemer.
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