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    BMW is not the first automotive company getting involved in Olympic bobsledding. Quite a few years ago, Opel, General Motors' German leg not only sponsered but even designed the German team's Bobsleds. Extensive wind-tunnel testing resulted in very competitive equipment.

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    " BMW has not done well in their F1 efforts in the recent past. Right up there with Toyota and Honda."


    That has been a mystery to me? I mean three of the auto industry's top names...and for some reason they struggle? Honda in particular has done well in Indy car? But comes up short in F-1

    And yet Renault [not a name for high performance] at least in this country...does very well?
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    It takes much more than just a great car company to be sucessful in Formula 1. Chassis and Engine design need to be top notch. Because you need very specialized knowledge to do either, many renowned manufacturers farm the engine development and build out to specialists. Ilmore Engineering used to be one of these. As far as Renault is concerned, think of the link Renault-Nissan-Infinty. Then there was McLaren-Mercedes, Sauber-Mercedes. BMW did only the engines, I don't even remember what chassis they had. Porsche had a Formula 1 car in the 60s once. wasn't very sucessful either. And on top of this, there is always Bernie Ecclestone telling you what you can and what you cannot do.

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    BMW last took a championship in F1 back in 83 as an engine supplier to Brabham with Piquet then left in something like 87. When it returned with Williams it was replacing Renault as their supplier. BMW was probably the most powerful engine on the track but the Williams was chassis was not the best while Ferrari and Schumi were in full song. When they became involved with Sauber then took over they found out how hard it is to develop a chassis. Drivers were also an issue. Heidfeld as no.1 did not pan out. Kubica pushed but I never had a sense he was supported in a manner that would have made it work. Vettel was the test/backup driver and took over when Kubica crashed. In that run he became the youngest driver to score points in a GP. Then he moved over to Toro Rosso and then up to Red Bull.

    Toyota had design teams but no drivers.

    Honda will be back in 2015. They are sitting out the 2014 season which may give them a tactical advantage with their engine. Teams running this year have their engine development programs frozen by the current rules. Because Honda is not on the grid this year they can continue to develop their engine which may give them an advantage in 2015 in that department. Then the question is what will their chassis and driver setup be to compliment the developed engine.

    The BMW bobsled development has been done under the auspices of BWM Desingworks US. I am not at all certain how much direct influence the BMW F1 effort has on that. Much of the chassis design team stayed in Hinwil with Sauber. BMW Designworks has done contract design and development work in all sorts areas for all sorts of products. It has done some work with sailboats and understands fluid dynamics as a result of that work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mika View Post
    Try again. It was a very slow load for me; however, it did work.
    I just get an audio message:

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMSimon View Post
    It takes much more than just a great car company to be sucessful in Formula 1. Chassis and Engine design need to be top notch. Because you need very specialized knowledge to do either, many renowned manufacturers farm the engine development and build out to specialists. Ilmore Engineering used to be one of these. As far as Renault is concerned, think of the link Renault-Nissan-Infinty. Then there was McLaren-Mercedes, Sauber-Mercedes. BMW did only the engines, I don't even remember what chassis they had. Porsche had a Formula 1 car in the 60s once. wasn't very sucessful either. And on top of this, there is always Bernie Ecclestone telling you what you can and what you cannot do.

    I understand & agree. It just seems to me that those three BMW,Honda , Toyota should be able to hire the best of the best in engineering,[chassis,suspension,hydraulics etc] to make it happen ?

    BMW did well in the early 80's in the regard to engines. Their Turbo-4, 1.5 liter put out something like 1300HP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl Cainey View Post
    I just get an audio message:

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    Try the link on the BMW Group DesignworkUSA home page to the same video:
    http://designworksusa.com/

    There are several Youtube videos about BMW bobsled design efforts for this and past Olympics at:
    http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...20bobsled&sm=3
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMSimon View Post
    Bob Dylan

    I guess it takes an old fart to know how to spell his name....
    It hit me sometime at work today.........Dillon.........just didn't seem right. But, seriously, I typed Bob Dillon into Google and this is what I saw........

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bob+...ih=609&dpr=0.9

    However, I can say that Bob was seriously into the incoherent mumbling stage by time I was in HS. Therefore, I am younger than dirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mika View Post
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    AKA - Elston Gunnn, Blind Boy Grunt, Bob Landy, Robert Milkwood Thomas, Tedham Porterhouse, Lucky/Boo Wilbury, Jack Frost, Sergei Petrov (per Wikipedia). He is an odd duck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    AKA - Elston Gunnn, Blind Boy Grunt, Bob Landy, Robert Milkwood Thomas, Tedham Porterhouse, Lucky/Boo Wilbury, Jack Frost, Sergei Petrov (per Wikipedia). He is an odd duck.
    I liked most of his songs, but he seems self-absorbed. In my opinion, somewhat ironic for his music genre.
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    He went through a really hard time, when he tried to make the transition from acustic to electric guitar and his fans boo-ed (sp?) and deserted him for this.
    He was never the same afterwards. That's the Bob Dylan you probably know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMSimon View Post
    He went through a really hard time, when he tried to make the transition from acustic to electric guitar and his fans boo-ed (sp?) and deserted him for this.
    He was never the same afterwards. That's the Bob Dylan you probably know.
    Watching the films of the Newport Folk Festival, he did take the punk approach to it all. But, considering the potential income differences between following the traditional (acoustic) path or moving to the rock style, he made a rational choice.

    He is an artist that has created beautiful work, but appears to have no interest in the context of the art with his current world. It is just exceedingly well done art. To me, there is a lack of soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post
    I understand & agree. It just seems to me that those three BMW,Honda , Toyota should be able to hire the best of the best in engineering,[chassis,suspension,hydraulics etc] to make it happen ?

    BMW did well in the early 80's in the regard to engines. Their Turbo-4, 1.5 liter put out something like 1300HP!
    Honda did...but they put them to work on a higher priority...revision of the poorer selling 2012 Civic!!!
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    BMW did the aerodynamics on the USA bobsleds, so who designs the German and Austrian bobsleds?

    I'm not a bobsledder or even a big fan (except every four years) but it seems there isn't much room for creativity and innovation in sled design. Since the sled has no internal power, once the pushers climb on board gravity does all the work. Aerodynamics is (are?) obviously very important at the speeds these things go but at this stage of development any gains will be very small. Still, with times measured to the thousandth of a second, even an exposed bolt head could make a difference.

    The human element (driver, et al) is far more important than the mechanics.

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