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    New to me 99' RT gives out.....help

    Bought the bike on Sunday and made a 250 mile ride home.....all was well with the bike, no strange noises, no smells, no problems. Except today I am cruising down the freeway and I hear this horrible screeching noise. Not like a fan belt but not metal on metal. Bike starts to lose momentum and I pull over and give it gas, I get engine to rev but no output to rear wheel. I am now pulled over and engine runs fine but put it in gear and let the clutch out and the sound comes back. I am going to put it on the center stand and see what happens. Bike gad 42000 miles. Owner said it was due for a spline lube what am I facing?

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    Sorry, man. It sounds like you have stripped the splines. A big repair. That means a transmission input shaft, clutch disc and, if you want to do it right, a full clutch housing. Something like $1,212 in parts plus a lot of labor. Anton Largiader knows this repair well: http://www.largiader.com/shop/. RB

    Read more about it here: http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthre...ar-1999-R1100S

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    Before I worried about big $$$$

    It sure sounds like you blew a spline but you have three, tranny input, tranny output and final drive input. It could be as simple as you spun the rubber coupling in the driveshaft. The first thing I would do is get the bike on the center stand, put the tranny in fifth gear and try to spin the rear tire. If it spins, you might get lucky enough to hear where the noise is coming from, close anyway.

    There was a great posting here about someone that described the identical scenario but I can't find it. His was easy, driveshaft coupling at the tranny? Maybe?

    I'm sure someone can find it and post it. It described his entire process to find the problem.
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    Thanks for the input. I will try the fifth gear test and see what happens. I can't believe that it would blow out like that. My plan was to ride it home and then have the splines lubed. I had no idea that they exploded at exactly 40000 miles......I bought the bike for 3100 from a respectable guy, known in his community as a custom bicycle designer...called him about the issue and basically I am SOL. I guess I am about to take a crash course on how to tear the bike apart and see if I can pinpoint the problem. Should have bought a honda.

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    Sorry to hear about this. If the seller was any kind of good guy he would take care of a refund of sorts. I believe there is a law about new purchases like this. Sounds fishy to me.

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    Naw...you shouldn't have bought a Honda!!
    Could have happened just as easily with a used Honda. Don't blame BMW
    You just ran up against some bad luck. Sort the problem, and you will love the bike.
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    Well I put it in fifth hand spun the year wheel and it spins but makes noise like a roulette wheel but I can't tell where it is coming from. When the bike is running in neutral no noises but the moment I pull the clutch in it starts to make not quite a screeching sound but a whirring sound, whatever it is it sounds catastrophic. I really can't afford to spend 2 grand on a 3000 grand bike so I guess I will see if I can get back some money by parting it out. It really was a nice bike.

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    Another option is to do all the work yourself and buy a $300 input shaft, a $170 clutch plate and call it a day. It'll get you going for 30-40K mikes most likely.

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    Spin it again. You are on the right track.

    Get something like a long screwdriver or a piece of hose. Place the screwdriver or hose on the driveline and listen. Put the screwdriver or hose right on to your ear. Start at the rear end and work forward. You'll know pretty quick the area of concern.

    Don't get discouraged.

    Keep something in mind, BMW, Honda, Kawasaki. Suzuki et al, there is always something, something.

    By your description, you cooked the throw out shaft for the clutch. Piece of cake. Maybe it gets more than that but don't let the 'max-bad' throw you a loop. Take your time and sort it through.

    I got a lot of bikes I take care of for friends, identical to mine and yours, it's always simple to find. The last one was no grease on the clutch throw out lever and wore right through at the pivot.

    I ain't dropping a coin for a repair based on any one opinion here. However, some good advice is available if you take into context who is providing it.

    When all else fails, go back at 'er again.
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    Sure sounds like stripped splines. I have to say, it is basically unheard of for that model to have stripped splines at 42,000 miles.

    If parting it out makes sense, go for it. Then you won't have to worry about the problem coming back.
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    Either I am going to try a open the bike up and see what I can find if it is easy enough, or else I won't bother with it and try to recoup what I can and part it out. Even if I can get back a couple of thousand I would consider it to be an expensive weekend rental and I would move on. I figure for the engine, wheels, forks and Ohlins, along with bags and trunk and fairings and seats I could make back 2k alone. Am I being unrealistic in what I can get for these larger parts? I wouldn't plan to mess with any of the smaller parts and would just send those to the scrapper. I am sure I could sell the smaller items but I am not sure it would be worth extending my aggravation with this bike just to squeak out one more dollar. Is there a market for the frame? Or do I just toss that with all the other smaller items?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moralem View Post
    Either I am going to try a open the bike up and see what I can find if it is easy enough, or else I won't bother with it and try to recoup what I can and part it out. Even if I can get back a couple of thousand I would consider it to be an expensive weekend rental and I would move on. I figure for the engine, wheels, forks and Ohlins, along with bags and trunk and fairings and seats I could make back 2k alone. Am I being unrealistic in what I can get for these larger parts? I wouldn't plan to mess with any of the smaller parts and would just send those to the scrapper. I am sure I could sell the smaller items but I am not sure it would be worth extending my aggravation with this bike just to squeak out one more dollar. Is there a market for the frame? Or do I just toss that with all the other smaller items?
    Parts value depends on how clean they are, you should be able to make your money back but its a bit of work to sell/package/ship.
    Mileage is low so that's good and the Ohlins will sell 4 sure.
    Remember there are still a lot of ex police bikes out there so sales may not be as brisk as one would expect, especially at this time of year.
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    Did you contact the seller? Getting into the clutch-input spline is doable but I wouldnt call it easy, very time consuming. I'm a bit surprised that most dont think the seller should be involved again.


    I guess "buyer beware" is the norm now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAS View Post
    I guess "buyer beware" is the norm now.
    As has been the case for many years. The unfortunate part is that the seller probably had no idea this problem was about to occur. I'm guessing the buyer took the bike for a test ride before his purchase. Both agreed to the deal. I believe private sales are always "without warranty expressed or implied." They are where I'm from.

    But back to the problem at hand. If the current owner likes the bike and has some mechanical ability (or friends who want to assist) I say dive in and see what surfaces. Worst case scenario is you get half way in and decide its too much of a challenge. You still have the option of parting it out to recoup your investment as best you can. Good luck whatever road you decide to travel.

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    I am sensing a lot of frustration and anger with this situation. And very rightfully so. We would all feel the same way if this happened to us. For what it is worth, I would suggest putting a tarp over the bike and walking away from the situation for a while. Enjoy Christmas. Don't do anything on the spur of the moment in the heat of anger. Try going to a few motorcycle stores and look at the alternatives. If you see something that will work better for you, at least you will have a good reason for switching bikes.
    Scrapping out the bike will, I would guess, in the end, be more effort than just fixing it. You will still have to take it all apart, in fact all of the bike rather than just half for the repair. Putting the ads in, replying to endless questions, boxing the parts, handling the payments, trips to the UPS office. Halfway through the dismantling you may wish you had just fixed the thing, but the needed parts will be gone.

    I think that all of us who ride BMWs have come to have a uneasy truce with this unpleasant fault in their design: the splines. The bikes are great, they can run for hundreds of thousands of miles if cared for, and be a pleasure to ride during all of them. In return, we all agree to take half of the bike apart every 40,000 miles. It might seem crazy to people who don't ride BMWs, but something about the bikes makes them worth it to most of us. Although unfortunately you haven't been able to ride yours long enough to decide if you agree with that. And you may well not.
    Check the threads on here before you do anything rash. As many people have said, doing the spline lube yourself is a doable job. Not easy, or short, but economical. It's a good bike, worth saving. I know; easy for me to say. Good luck.

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