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    Quote Originally Posted by Callmethebreeze
    See you in VT. Bring the bug spray, and the Long Trail!!!!
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    Make it Otter Creek, best in the region.

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    DuQuoin State Fairgrounds opened a new indoor arena last year. AMA had a national short track in there.

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    Cool Quit whining

    I got there Friday at 6pm, drove around twice and found a great campsite. Yes it was beside the road and lights of Walmart, but I was so tired from riding there and enjoying the beer that I could have slept standing up. The rally was a great deal for 35 bucks and like most, I met a lot of different people. I ate every meal at the German Corner except for breakfast on Sat when I took a ride into Lima. No one has control over the weather and I would rather pack light for warm weather than for cold. The showers had a line but it was just an excuse to meet people and they were a little dirty but that is not BMWMOA's fault but the fault of the guys in front of you who did not take their leftovers with them. I will be at VT and I will camp again. I met a biker on the way home who told me he camped in Missouri where it was 113 degrees with 90% humidity, so count yourself lucky.

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    I met a biker on the way home who told me he camped in Missouri where it was 113 degrees with 90% humidity, so count yourself lucky.
    I'll count myself lucky that I have over 100,000 Holiday Inn points, and that a Holiday Inn Express is only 11,000 points...

    Problem is, staying at a hotel while on vacation, makes vacation seem like work.. Icky...
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    I sat on my ass at home this weekend. I don't care to go into the reasons why.I wish that I could have been there regardless of the details!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paper
    I'll count myself lucky that I have over 100,000 Holiday Inn points, and that a Holiday Inn Express is only 11,000 points...

    Problem is, staying at a hotel while on vacation, makes vacation seem like work.. Icky...
    Tellme about it!

    I am sick of the whinners who complian, but rarely offer to help make it better.

    This is a volunteer organization, and at $35, it was a great bargin, even if you only went for a day!

    Jim

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    Being at the closing cerimonies, I noted the three rally chairs for Vermont were in attendance, So I know they experienced the same downfalls everyone else did and they are intelligent enough to make note of those so next years rally will address those issues. I know they are reading these post so the people who are expressing their very honest opinions herein can rest assured their constructive criticism will be noticed. We contacted people from Spokane and tried to better their experience and were sucessful at that.
    If this process continues, each Rally will be more enjoyable.
    BUT, it makes no sense to comlpain about the weather, and personal attacks are not honest opinions. To attack someone who has poured their heart and soul into a task for a year is just not called for, so be sure your responses are conducive to improvement. And please use tact in how you provide that feedback! My .02

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    Well Said

    Well said, Ol'Salt!

    Let's focus on the positives, be constructive when discussing the negatives, and generally be considerate.
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    get a room

    For all those that are complaining about the showers.

    Might I suggest renting a motel room to use as your personel shower & sh---er in addition to camping at the rally site.

    Our gang of 8 had one room at the Days Inn, one exit to the north. Cost us about $30.00 each for three nights.

    Got to take a shower in a nice clean stall, got to ---- on a nice clean toilet and used the pool Saturday afternoon when we just couldn't stand the heat any longer! Even caught up on the evening news while enjoying the A/C one night.

    We've been doing this the past few years and will do the same in Vermont!

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    Jason! You cheated!

    Damn great idea, though.

    Fred
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    Sue and Brian Reply...

    Just got home after 10 days of work at the rally. We are completely exhausted --- and so very, very happy. What a wonderful, AWESOME group of friends we are surrounded with. When we called this a "Family Reunion", we did it because that's how we feel about the members of the BMW MOA.

    Who would have thought we would not only bypass the standing attendance record (7200 people) --- but blow it clean out of the water!?? Attendance was 8148 not counting the 15 year-and-younger group. We estimate the number to be at least 8300. Exact attendance numbers are still being tallied....

    Important notes:
    * There were 58 showers on grounds. If we would have known that we would blow the roof off past attendance records, we would have arranged for a second shower trailer.

    * Two of our biggest food vendors bailed out within two weeks prior to the week. While we were sure the remaining food vendors could handle it, we also knew that there were restaurants in the strip malls a short walk from the rally site.

    * The wisecrack by GearHeadGrrl about us not being campers just really pushed our button. Anyone who knows us knows that is a crock. We have camped at over 200 rallies over the past 20 years. This year, we focused on the comfort of ALL of the rally attendees, including the tent campers. (ESPECIALLY the tent campers) Harrumph.

    * The rally sites are not chosen by the rally chairs. The rally sites are investigated by a team of dedicated volunteers (the site selection committee) and voted on by the board. The snipe that we were responsible for rally sites in less-than mountainous areas was totally off-base.

    * Shaded camping? Couldn't find any? Where did you look? On Friday night, I personally took a newly arrived rally guest to the "LOUD" camping area and found him a flat, grassy, shaded area. And his neighbors were not loud either.

    * Were there places we could have done better? You bet. Our contracted cleaning crew were totally overwhelmed --- mostly due to me, not being able to communicate to them what they were facing. Also -- The gates and traffic patterns chould have been better planned. (Brian and I had rather "intense discussions" about this many times. He was right. damn)

    Whew. We feel better now. Thanks for letting us defend ourselves. Glad almost everyone had a good time. Too bad others didn't.

    The bottom line is that a rally is what YOU make it. Brian has been to 25 of the last 27 national rallies, and I have not missed one since 1987. We have had a blast at ALL of them. (Even the ones where we camped on second base on the baseball diamond, and the one where a microburst took down the beer tent.)

    Thank you all who came to the rally. See you all in Vermont next year. We'll be in our REI tent!

    Sue and Brian
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    Here's my two cents.

    This is only the second national I have been to, the other being in Rutland, Vermont in the 70's. So I have no baseline to compare like you frequent attenders. Nothing against large get togethers, just choose to spend my mc vacation with a few friends traveling the roads.

    It takes a great effort to pull such an event off. I have organized events and each one has unexpected variables that can not be controlled. Plus the efforts of volunteers is always tricky business. Although there is a template that can be transferred from rally to rally, each one is unique with its own surprised and challenges. All in all, I thought this rally was well organized, especially considering the groundswell of attendance and August in July weather. Bravo Sue, you did well. And you have great pizazz.

    First the bad. I agree that the shower maintenance could have been better --pretty disgusting facilities, no toilet paper, paper towels, stacks of soap and wrappers in the stall. Second, the food selection was not very good. My buddy said the German food was particularly lousy and overpriced -- you expect fine German food at a Beemer rally. Third, the closing ceremony seemed long. Paying tribute to so many folks was important but two hours in the heat with a captive audience waiting for the drawing so they can eat and party seemed excessive. Might have been some ways to get more folks to come up at the same time. Fourth, I thought the micro beers tasted lousy. I tried all of them and they were questionable.

    Now the good. So many to list. Registration was flawless and everyone was very helpful. The rally book was terrific. The place was deorated great to compliment the theme. The music was a treat. Last time I saw George was at the Sturgis 50th in 1990 with Allman Brothers. He has not lost a step. The blues group was also terrific. There was a duet I enjoyed -- an accordian and piano playing polkas and waltzes in a little shaded area -- very cool. I know that some folks will complain about George being too graphic but you expect that. Good access to restaurants nearby for breakfast, fine Mexican place right down the road and Walmart for everything I forgot. This cancelled out the need for great food on site. Loved the vendor selection. I found just what I needed for my Alaska trip next year (one of my goals for coming).

    Folks were friendly. As is expected, a lot of folks come to the rally to be with their buddies and do not want to spend a lot of energy developing new friendships. Nothing wrong with that.

    So thanks to everyone who worked so hard to make this work. Can't do Vermont as it is finally time for that Alaska trek next year. But I will be back.

    Bob (BMWMOA # 369)

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    I have been riding for 30+ years,this was my first BMW National.I dug it,we arrived Wed and set up camp in a shady area behind the Motorrad trailers.Evening shade was inportant,so alot of areas on the east side of buildings were a good spot.Did 6 hrs of volunteering.Got one shower,about a 10 min wait,at 5a.m.ish.Everyone I met was nice.We took a walk after Thursdays storm to assess the damage and I about crapped my pants!"How would you ever find your tent in that mass of nylon if you came back drunk from the beer garden?"I asked my buddy.I've done Sturgis and other large rallies,but they are spread all over.None the less,as I get older,I find large crowds aren't my thing and dont know about attending any more Nationals,but this was a great experience!

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    Sue R-M mentions Loud Camping area...

    Sue, that's where my party camped. With children, no less. Right next to a couple other folks with children.

    Guess what? I think I'd camp there again. Turned out well.

    It wasn't very noisy, it was fine. The noises we heard were mostly good noises, people having fun. Nothing that would embarass our 10-12 y/o kids we had in tow. Nothing that would shock the V-Strom / Ironbutt rider we had in our group, or his young daughter.

    With kids along, I don't know if we were above average or below on noise. Maybe as parents we're used to noise. Shrug.

    My girlfriend Sharon thought it was great when she was serenaded by a bunch of partiers for her birthday Friday. We left when they wanted to administer spankings, though. I only wanted to out-source the singing, as I don't do that well.

    You did good, IMO. Not perfect, but very good. Nice rally. I don't believe I could do anywhere near as well on such a huge project.

    The V-Strom / Ironbutt rider that was my guest? He enjoyed the rally. Thought it was a lot like Bike Week at Bulow, but without the Harley noise. I'd agree.

    Best,
    Doug Grosjean
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    Sue R-M mentions Loud Camping area...

    Sue, that's where my party camped. With children, no less. Right next to a couple other folks with children.

    Guess what? I think I'd camp there again. Turned out well.

    It wasn't very noisy, it was fine. The noises we heard were mostly good noises, people having fun. Nothing that would embarass our 10-12 y/o kids we had in tow. Nothing that would shock the V-Strom / Ironbutt rider we had in our group, or his young daughter.

    With kids along, I don't know if we were above average or below on noise. Maybe as parents we're used to noise. Shrug.

    My girlfriend Sharon thought it was great when she was serenaded by a bunch of partiers for her birthday Friday. We left when they wanted to administer spankings, though. I only wanted to out-source the singing, as I don't do that well.

    You did good, IMO. Not perfect, but very good. Nice rally. I don't believe I could do anywhere near as well on such a huge project.

    The V-Strom / Ironbutt rider that was my guest? He enjoyed the rally. Thought it was a lot like Bike Week at Bulow, but without the Harley noise. I'd agree.

    Oh, FWIW - I was on a 13 y/o Airhead, and my son camped in a 25 y/o tent. We felt quite welcome, with people I've never seen before coming up to me, introducing themselves, shaking my hand, and striking up aconversation. My son thinks it's normal for me to "know" people in every state and place we go. And he thought the "Welcome BMW Riders" signs at the Lima businesses on the way in from I-75 were very cool.

    Best,
    Doug Grosjean
    Luckey, Ohio

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