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    Well Harry, perhaps he was showing some common sense courtesy to you? Knowing you would be sitting there getting soaked while he ran your tags or wrote you up. After all, he gets to sit in the car.

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    As Kurt posted yesterday, this thread started about one riders experience and how he dealt with it...A lot of us have been in this situation, I said a lot, I do not have stats. Remember the forum participation is a smidge of the membership as mentioned.


    This has turned into less of a motorcycle topic that Motorrad is for and more of standing around the Campfire and moaning about the ticket we/you/I got or almost got. So off to the fire ring it goes. Once again opinions are OK until you cross the double yellow with a flamethrower. Some of these posts are starting to have that smokey flavor.


    It has turned into folks venting about their opinions about how the folks who are just doing their job do their job. Imagine most of y'all know this diverse group of MOA has just about every profession represented in our ranks. Some of us know folks in this profession...some are relatives , some friends,some just names on a screen or we just haven't shook hands with eye to eye yet.

    Making generalizations about who various jurisdictions hire is pretty harsh...you know these folks from the military are best suited for the reality of police work. A crew cut and attitude while on duty aren't a good indication of character, have met some really polite LEO's who also were ex-military...have met a few that had a different view than me...OK there as well. Kind of nice about our country ya know?

    How many bad apples are in your basket of friends/profession/career ...just sayin'. Some of those may cause 80% of the stops 20% of us get to participate in. There, I used the 80/20 rule somewhere.
    Calling these people out sure seems a bit one sided as we will never know the complete story leading up to an incident. Maybe there's a forum for that, as there sure are a lot of them out there.

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    My experience has been I typically contribute to most cases where I have been stopped. I can count on half of one hand when I was shocked to have a roadside chat. I have been stopped more in a hot rod car than ever on a bike, but that's not bike related so I digress.

    I ride a motorcycle, ride it maybe a little smarter than I did when I first got a permit at 15..I hope. I bend the laws...have been told there is only black/white on rules, I often challenge them...and deal with whatever those bring me. I do not go stupid stunting , but yes I do roll on a lot. I got pulled over more on a different model bike...but there are a lot more knuckleheads and that brand of motorcycle out on the road, so the odds were pretty high I believe.Once again...no stats, just a cup of personal experience.
    And like Paul said earlier...when the limit is 80/85 around here away from the big city...and you get stopped for 5-20 over that...you are on your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKsuited View Post
    I've never gotten a speeding ticket, ever. I probably shouldn't admit that on this forum. I've come close a few times. The last time was a very hot, humid day and I was trying to get home before the weather set in. It was obvious from the thunderheads that heavy rain was imminent. I had my mesh jacket on, but had no rain gear with me. Doing about 10 over on a 55 mph state road, a local sheriff pulled out, turned to follow me, bubble lights going. Just then, the skies opened up in a serious downpour. The sheriff ended his pursuit. He apparently didn't want to get soaked by the heavy rain! I observed the speed limit the rest of my trip, about another five miles, and considered getting thoroughly soaked preferable to getting a speeding ticket.

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    BTW ... Where is Skyline Drive - is this a good road to ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmylee View Post
    BTW ... Where is Skyline Drive - is this a good road to ride?
    It extends north through Virginia from the northern end of the Blue Ridge Parkway. Beautiful ride but not technical. The speed limit is 35 mph as I remember.
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    Well, as I mentioned previous-like there is another Skyline, very famous here, from south of San Francisco into Santa Cruz on highway 9. I was up there just last month. Perfect weather. And such a beautiful road thru' the woods and hills (mts.).
    I know law enforcement never bothers me any.
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    In many areas, traffic tickets are, uh, "additional road taxes" under the guise of "public safety". If you don't believe that, just look up privatization of traffic enforcement, and how jurisdictions have allowed, for example, riskily reduced yellow light times as a revenue "enhancement". Locally here, you can regularly see NHP ignore cars tailgating 25 feet off at 70 ( a relatively cheap ticket for a very dangerous action) but they sit on radar and look for people speeding on clear roads (a much more expensive ticket for a safety nonissue).
    My point here is, if public safety is often a dishonest premise, that much traffic enforcement is really just an ad hoc road tax, which certainly appears the intent of many who make the laws, why should it then bother us if the mere tax collectors are less than stellar? As usual, the problem really is with those higher up the food chain, who give the marching orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrbelknap View Post
    Well Harry, perhaps he was showing some common sense courtesy to you? Knowing you would be sitting there getting soaked while he ran your tags or wrote you up. After all, he gets to sit in the car.
    The fact that he did a U-turn, had all his lights going, and started a pursuit told me that he was going to at least pull me over. The downpour started right then, and the only thing I can attribute to his ending the pursuit was the heavy rain. He would have had to get out of the car to ticket me. I got lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David13 View Post
    Well, as I mentioned previous-like there is another Skyline, very famous here, from south of San Francisco into Santa Cruz on highway 9. I was up there just last month. Perfect weather. And such a beautiful road thru' the woods and hills (mts.).
    I know law enforcement never bothers me any.
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    I remember riding Skyline back in the 80s. I was on my RS and moving along at pretty good pace. Then with a flash of white and the scream of a banshee I get passed by a TZ750 in full race trim. Came to find out that people would ride whatever they wanted however they wanted. The police responded to the carnage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    A couple of comments regarding an earlier post about Texas. First, it is not at all unusual to get a TICKET from a Texas State Trooper at 4 or 5 over the limit. They may well stop you for a chat at 2 or 3 over. Local police departments and sheriff departments might be a little more lenient - but maybe not.

    Their rationale for being strict is this isn't a little 55 mph state. In western Texas and parts of east Texas the two-lane rural speed limit is 70. Much of it is 75. Some Interstate is 80. The attitude is, "We give you 70 or 75 or 80! How much more do you think you'll get???"

    If perchance you want to suggest that a few mph is within the error of your speedometer you might hear the suggestion that you could get an equipment fix-it ticket too.
    Paul, if you're referring to my post, none of my incidents happened in areas that are any different to anywhere else in the country. TX may be unique in the 80 MPH limit but that didn't get implemented until after I left. My experience is that Texan enforcement will nail you for speeds that won't even wake them up in other states in similar environments and conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Veg View Post
    Paul, if you're referring to my post, none of my incidents happened in areas that are any different to anywhere else in the country. TX may be unique in the 80 MPH limit but that didn't get implemented until after I left. My experience is that Texan enforcement will nail you for speeds that won't even wake them up in other states in similar environments and conditions.
    That too, is sort of my point. Five to ten over is not ticket-safe in Texas. But,

    I live along TX 118. A nice two lane asphalt highway between Alpine and Big Bend National Park. The speed limit is 70. Basic rural 2 lane speed limit. In Kansas where I used to live it would be 65. In Missouri it would be 60. In Iowa where I used to live it would be 55. This has been true since the day Nixon's 55 national energy conserving speed limit was repealed.

    I am not aware of any other state which has a 75 mph speed limit on two-lane state highways and farm-to-market roads like in west Texas. I'm sure somebody will tell me otherwise if I've missed them. I would have suspected Wyoming and Montana as the most likely but haven't found it since the overturn of reasonable and prudent - which I always described as reasonably imprudent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    That too, is sort of my point. Five to ten over is not ticket-safe in Texas. But,

    I live along TX 118. A nice two lane asphalt highway between Alpine and Big Bend National Park. The speed limit is 70. Basic rural 2 lane speed limit. In Kansas where I used to live it would be 65. In Missouri it would be 60. In Iowa where I used to live it would be 55. This has been true since the day Nixon's 55 national energy conserving speed limit was repealed.

    I am not aware of any other state which has a 75 mph speed limit on two-lane state highways and farm-to-market roads like in west Texas. I'm sure somebody will tell me otherwise if I've missed them. I would have suspected Wyoming and Montana as the most likely but haven't found it since the overturn of reasonable and prudent - which I always described as reasonably imprudent.
    Paul, as a person who has ridden across the US and a lot of Canada many times, which would you prefer: 1. lower speed limits that are sporadically enforced and hence often violated with the expectation you won't be pulled over if you are no more than 10 mph or higher above the speed limit; or 2. higher speed limits on similar highways (as you have in Texas) but little slack to people even slightly over the limit.

    You have the experience in miles to tell us not only what you prefer but also what makes you feel safer.

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    Having spent much of 1996 & 1997 in Montana, I'd prefer reasonable and prudent.

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    I ride with some retired Troopers here in MT and they tell me they still wrote many tickets when Reasonable and Prudent was the law of the land. For instance, a Trooper is on the interstate doing 85 MPH and gets passed by a BMW M Class car doing 100 MPH... no issue assuming the weather conditions are okay. Then the Trooper gets passed by a family of five in a ten year old Dodge Caravan doing 100 MPH. The Caravan is getting pulled and the driver is getting a ticket. Differences: childeren involved, age and capabilities of the vehicle and tires. According to my friends the tickets almost always survived a trial. R&P inspired some to perform and act silly in front of LEOs because they thought the law was a license to do whatever they wanted, and that turned out not to be reasonable or prudent.

    Montana is still a great place to ride. You still run 80 on the interstates and 70-75 on most rural two lane roads which is fast enough for me these days. And there are many great places to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David13 View Post
    Well, as I mentioned previous-like there is another Skyline, very famous here, from south of San Francisco into Santa Cruz on highway 9. I was up there just last month. Perfect weather. And such a beautiful road thru' the woods and hills (mts.).
    I know law enforcement never bothers me any.
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    Found that road last year. Very memorable ride through the hilltops with views of the ocean and Silcon Valley to the East. Only sad part is when you end up in the traffic of South San Fran.
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