No offense to Rockbottom, the Original Poster.
But, we only have heard his side. The cop might give details and facts to make us think differently.
Ever watch Judge Judy? It amazes me how people tell a story, then the cop will play a video or voice recording of the incident, and you find it doesn't exactly match the plaintiff's version!
Again, not calling you a liar, Rockbottom, just making a point. There are a lot of stories in this thread, and I'm certain there is some hyperbole somewhere!
I have said before that I don't like, or get along with MOST cops. But I still think MOST cops are decent guys just doing the job. Every profession has its bad apples.
Rob C. , Raleigh, NC
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One time on a Interstate in TexSux I was written for 6 over. No that's not a typo, six miles per hour above the speed limit. It was at night but not the wee hours, weather was clear, traffic was light, the road was straight and level.
In the eleven years that I lived in TexSux I got stopped a good number of times, and received a citation every time except once (Note 1). None were for more than 18-19 over. They ran the gamut from a very kindly and courteous motorcop (Note 2) to some real attitude-cases. At least two were electronically-generated, and in one of those cases the whole stop took less than 30 seconds: no self-incrimination questions, just hand over my license which got swiped through a hand-held device that printed a thermal-paper ticket, sign it and he was gone. One time I got pulled while a big pickup was blatantly passing me at much greater speed (but I was in one a' them lil' socialist furrin' cars though, so I must be evil, right?). That one too was super-quick and efficient, and my boss from out of state was in the car with me and he was SHOCKED that the cop didn't give me a chance to talk him out of the ticket.
In my experience, admitting that I was speeding doesn't make a damn bit of difference- I get the ticket whether I do it or not. (I'm talking everywhere now, not just TX).
I had a BS-stop once too, in suburban evening traffic. Cop told me that my license-plate light was out. He waves his flashlight over my registration and inspection stickers, then shines it in all the windows, sees nothing suspicious, and lets me go. Fishing for probable cause?
I haven't had a speed-citation since moving to GA just over five years ago, although about three years ago in Alabama I got one for following too closely. The trooper pulled me and one other guy in an assembly-line stop for that one, so I really rather suspect that he was hard-up to demonstrate his efficacy to his superiours.
Note 1: The one time I got let-off with a speed-warning in TX I was on a rough-looking, 17-year-old K100RT and passing through the panhandle on the way to Colorado. I was in my mid-30s but looked about 25. The trooper was unusually friendly in his manner, and politely asked if there was anything in my side-cases that should make him feel the need to call for a K9 unit to sniff around. I answered in the negative and he seemed satisfied with my answer.
Note 2: This one was a Kawasaki-mounted member of the Plano TX Police Department and he was just so damned nice about the whole thing that I thanked him for his courtesy (even though I did get the ticket) at the conclusion of the matter, and I guess he wasn't used to that kind of reaction because he seemed to be having an awkward moment as he got back on his bike.
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One of my DIL's got stopped in Knxv,TN last week by a city cop there for 5 over, as in actually was 5 over & not a school zone,etc.. She had her two babies(2 & 4) with her in SUV & cold out. Isn't there a higher purpose to be found for that officer?
Maybe it was "anti pre-soccer mom bias"?
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The most obvious problem with law enforcement in this country is its increased militarization in terms of equipment and mentality- and the attitude that comes with it.
Trigger happy behavior is becoming way too common.
Here in NC I have no idea what the total actually is but I can easily recall 3 instances in the last couple months where so called qualified law enforcement officers shot and killed unarmed persons.
Example 1- Brunswick County NC
Mentally ill kid (known schizophrenic) refuses to give screwdriver to mother and acts agitated to the point of scaring her. 2 officers respond and are talking to the kid, no violence happening. Eventually 3rd more senior officer responds and within a minute of arrival, says "we don't have time for this", orders others to taze and jump the kid- then in the resulting pile, claims the kid is threatening the life of one of the first officers and shoots him twice while on the ground under the 2 others. Under investigation. Long line of the rather small (90 lbs, about 16 IIRC) kids relatives and friends say he had no history of violence.
Example 2- Ferrell, Charlotte, NC
Ferrell, black athlete mid 30s, crashes car in small hours of morning in a mostly white area of town (photos show him with a white girlfriend). Runs toward a police officer seeking help and is shot 10 times and killed instead. Officer had apparently spent most of career in animal control and had responded to a 911 call re a possible break in nearby, is now indicted for voluntary manslaughter. Both his dept (immediately) and SBI called his actions excessive.
Example 3- Wilmington NC
Suspect sitting still under a bush while hiding shot and killed by officers claiming he had a gun- which is actually the cell phone he was using. This episode happens a few days after a different person in a nearby neighborhood shoots another officer in the leg and is apprehended a couple days later. No indictments- as in most places NC law allows this as justifiable as long as officer thought/says a threat existed
2 of the above victims were black. All the officers were white.
Bottom line is you could run into one of the nuts above. I believe it is possible to make a case that law enforcement has at least its share of nuts and crooks (we've had folks all the way up to DA indicted locally for all manner of crimes from drug sales to personal use of public funds) and that like most professions is not at all good at internal policing until the evidence of wrongdoing is overwhelming.
My local police force pays wages so low (not even $30K) to newbs that they're always hiring- so the guy with gun you'll run into has almost no experience and probably just can't get a better paying job elsewhere, yet.
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Couldn't agree with you more Racer. Many younger law enforcement guys are from the military hence their boot camp hair cuts and Marine Corp in your face threatening PTSD influenced attitude. As a group they are just plain scary. If it weren't for career opportunities in law enforcement many of these so called cops would be on the streets like the hoods they really are. This of course just my humble not worth much opinion.
Folks, in reading through this entire thread, posts are starting to get more onto the personal attack side about people that someone has never met or only read about, etc. It was stated earlier there are always bad apples in every barrel. Let's just leave it at that. The OP started out by talking about an incident that happened to HIM....he did something to help resolve the issue in his mind. Now people are bringing instances out of the woodwork or local crime columns as a way of seemingly painting all LEOs in bad light. If you weren't there, I find it hard to report on any aspect of what might or might not have happened.
So, let's reign it in or we'll close the thread. It's Parked Motorcycle Season, so maybe that's what this is. But let's just no go there...anymore!
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A couple of comments regarding an earlier post about Texas. First, it is not at all unusual to get a TICKET from a Texas State Trooper at 4 or 5 over the limit. They may well stop you for a chat at 2 or 3 over. Local police departments and sheriff departments might be a little more lenient - but maybe not.
Their rationale for being strict is this isn't a little 55 mph state. In western Texas and parts of east Texas the two-lane rural speed limit is 70. Much of it is 75. Some Interstate is 80. The attitude is, "We give you 70 or 75 or 80! How much more do you think you'll get???"
If perchance you want to suggest that a few mph is within the error of your speedometer you might hear the suggestion that you could get an equipment fix-it ticket too.
Paul Glaves - "Big Bend", Texas U.S.A
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First let me confess that my son works as corrections officer for a county in Texas. I have gotten to know lots of his friends. First thing to understand is that if they did had a very passive or weak demeanor they wouldn't be in that line of work, but they are all very nice people.
I was riding in a 45 mph construction zone early morning before daylight when I decided to pass an older truck who was doing the speed limit most of the time but would slow down going uphill. So I passed him and then slowed back to the speed limit more or less. Sure enough I soon saw a bunch of blue lights flashing. The young officer said he stopped me for driving over the speed limit and not signaling when I passed. I explained why I passed and that my turn signals had gone out on that trip. I guess he believed me because my bike was almost twice his age. He told me right up front that he was going to run my license and wasn't going to write me a ticket if it was clear. He was very polite and interested in my old bike and true to his word I rode away with no ticket or warning just a be careful and have fun.
Some of these guys are great folks, and some can be jerks. Anyway that is my last experience with a LEO.
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Those who know my writing style suspect I might normally pen volumes in rebuttal to the direction this thread had taken. Tried a different approach a little while ago - that was "all bark and no bite."
But really, why? This Forum is open season on LEO's - has since I first jumped onboard 9 years ago. I endeavor to remind myself that it only represents <4% of the membership.
I've been around MOA'ers now for nearly a decade.... almost as long as I associated with the H-D crowd as a motor officer.
And then there's the time I spent six days in the thick of things at Daytona Bike Week in '04.
Never ceases to amaze me who has the greater respect for and more objective understanding of law enforcement.
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Human nature seems to be that the bad stuff sticks the best in our memory - at least for me this is true. I've had my fair share of interactions with LEOs; most of them have been have been speed related. A handful have been for no reason at all or a fake reason, just to pull me over. Most have been fairly pleasant interactions, but the ones that really stick with me are the ones that were unwarranted or unprofessional on the part of the officer. Threads like this bring back the bad memories and I'm sure they do for others as well.
Unfortunately, every time I see an officer on a bike or in a car at this point, I start watching my mirrors to see if I'm going to get pulled over, even when I've done nothing illegal. Just being on a motorcycle, I find myself being tailed at times, although much less often on my BMW than I was on my KTM dual sport. The bad apples (or in some cases, bad departments) create enough ill will to tarnish all LEOs even when most probably don't deserve it.
I agree with rxrider. My experiences with traffic police has been largely infrequent and without problems. In fact, I appreciate professional agencies like the OSP and wish there were more of them, a lot more.
True story: Several summers ago I and my wife were sitting on our front deck sipping some cools ones when all of a sudden out of the woods, our home is surrounded by dense woods and foliage (brush), came two cops dressed like storm troopers. I immediately jumped up out of my chair with beer in hand. The lead cop yelled at me to "put that down!" I yelled back "what the F?" and he placed his hand on his side arm and yelled "I said put that down". I immediately put down the beer and raised my hands. The cops just continued on their way running through our property and off into the adjacent wet lands. I later learned that they were looking for a bad guy. This episode was just plain scary! I really had the feeling that if I didn't put down my beer that I might have been severely injured. It is events like this that can give one a very bad taste in one's mouth. You here about instances where unarmed people are shot and killed for just running away from a cop. Excuse me but merely trying to get away from a cop is not reason for the cop to use deadly force. If some of these men in blue can't get a grip on their adrenaline rushes then they ought not to be working in public service. Again just imo. Oh, I think those two cops should have taken the time to come back and apologize for their excess that summer afternoon and maybe explain their actions a bit. I don't appreciate being threatened by people that are supposed to serve and protect.
I've never gotten a speeding ticket, ever. I probably shouldn't admit that on this forum. I've come close a few times. The last time was a very hot, humid day and I was trying to get home before the weather set in. It was obvious from the thunderheads that heavy rain was imminent. I had my mesh jacket on, but had no rain gear with me. Doing about 10 over on a 55 mph state road, a local sheriff pulled out, turned to follow me, bubble lights going. Just then, the skies opened up in a serious downpour. The sheriff ended his pursuit. He apparently didn't want to get soaked by the heavy rain! I observed the speed limit the rest of my trip, about another five miles, and considered getting thoroughly soaked preferable to getting a speeding ticket.
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