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Thread: Skyline Drive: First Time a Victim of Anti-Motorcycle Bias

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    Quote Originally Posted by ka5ysy View Post
    Interestingly I have had occasion to work radar set at 15 over limit as the trigger point and we have written all the tickets we cared to (or had books for). Usual response was always "I could NOT have been speeding". A lot of honest people said exactly what their speed was, and we always asked them to be more attentive, slow down, and let them go on their way.

    Oh: Never say something like "I know such-and-so and can get this taken care of". That adds public intimidation to the stack of tickets.
    I most definitely have never met you in your professional capacity.
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    A few days ago, I was on Interstate 10 east of Indio, and had a CHP come up behind me... white Crown Vic, no external lights up top, but big bumpers, so it was fairly obvious... I was holding 71 mph indicated (posted limit is 70)... he was there for several minutes, so I must have disappointed him. (They'll sometimes do that to goad a motorist into making some dumb mistake.)

    Just a little later, two motor officers passed me in the Banning area (note: that whole stretch is a well-known speed trap)... one was on a Beemer, the other on a Honda... I purposely looked over at the Beemer, and gave him a short ... looked over at the Honda, and gave him a little shrug of the shoulders with a little "no" shake of the head ... they both got it, laughed, and sped away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls1150 View Post
    A few days ago, I was on Interstate 10 east of Indio, and had a CHP come up behind me... white Crown Vic, no external lights up top, but big bumpers, so it was fairly obvious... I was holding 71 mph indicated (posted limit is 70)... he was there for several minutes, so I must have disappointed him. (They'll sometimes do that to goad a motorist into making some dumb mistake.)

    Just a little later, two motor officers passed me in the Banning area (note: that whole stretch is a well-known speed trap)... one was on a Beemer, the other on a Honda... I purposely looked over at the Beemer, and gave him a short ... looked over at the Honda, and gave him a little shrug of the shoulders with a little "no" shake of the head ... they both got it, laughed, and sped away.
    Typically in the I 40 commute here are always some State Highway Patrol. They usually drive along at 8-12 over. One day during building rush hour one evidently was doing tags. I was a bunch vehicles behind and gaining slowly. He evidently was running plates. He would cruise along at regular speed then pace a slower vehicle in the lane to the right just a little behind it. Of course all 4 lanes of traffic were hesitant to pass this even though speeds would drop to mid 60s. Things were jamming up with this happening. I hate that on the bike as everyone is looking to push a little more into the ever increasing tight spaces. It made for a difficult traffic snare to work out of. Perhaps you got your plate and stuff checked then as well.

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    Quite likely; we've had computerized plate recognition for a while. Or maybe they were just enjoying the frame around my plate (which I can't post here, being a family forum).

    On the other hand, they do sometimes try to dare you into passing them... If one does not exceed the limit, they "shouldn't" bother you.

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    Speaking of the CHP, I was cruising north out of San Francisco last year doing about 80 "or so" in a 60 zone when I noticed a motorcycle a few hundred yards behind me. Didn't think much of it until moments later he was beside me. I look over and its the CHP on an RT-P. Dang it, I said inwardly. He just gives me a nod and speeds off.

    I think I was a victim of motorcycle bias - the positive kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    The guy works for you (I assume you aren't in the witness protection program). As such, his management needs to know that he acted like a twit.
    Please conjugate that.
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    The more of this thread I read, the more I think too much is expected.

    My math is horrible, I need a calculator to substantiate my statement. I have driven on average 80K a year for over thirty years. Everything, from pickups to tractor-trailers. I don't even count the time on a motorcycle because that's my time.

    Today, I was covering for a friend that was sick and he hauls snow. I guess this load was 40k+ as the truck was a dog and spiking jerked me around pretty good. 3rd low from intersections and I could hear a good bark so I knew I was heavy.

    Coming over an overpass, my lane, right hand side, somebody decided it was a good time to pull in front. Binders on, horn full tilt and hung on. Been there, done that, never ended well.

    RCMP on my left saw it all.

    I did the road rage thing with the horn and the lights. Seconds later, blue and red behind me. I pulled over. I was mad. I went to get out of the truck and the officer pointed at me and said, "stay in your truck".

    He went back to his car, a few minutes later, "Driver's License, Registration, Log Book". Nothing pleasant in his tone.

    My paperwork is good and he asks me if I knew why he pulled me over. I said, "No". He said if I hadn't pulled my "high school" stunt with the road rage, he would taken the other driver instead for "failure to yield oncoming". Then he said, "I will take an angry driver and make them sit on the side road over stupid. Stupid are easy to catch, you aren't and you are more dangerous."

    Wow. The boys with the badge have a tough job and I have to say, after my experience today, I'm going to let them give me s--t and just take it.

    Back to my first paragraph, I still have a lot to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpmarty View Post
    Please conjugate that.
    Hmmm.....I've run it through two grammar checks and found no issues. What are you questioning? I will admit to often applying PA Dutch grammar and verbiage. But, I'm pretty sure this is real English grammar...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselyoda View Post
    Wow. The boys with the badge have a tough job and I have to say, after my experience today, I'm going to let them give me s--t and just take it.

    Back to my first paragraph, I still have a lot to learn.
    The officer was pretty smart........an angry guy with a heavy load can do a lot more damage than a twit in car or pick-up.

    Since you understand that, the world is a good place. Of course, you could have called your lawyer and made the officer waste a few days to prove his wisdom to a judge. That may have provided some sense of moral victory to you and allowed your lawyer to buy nicer Christmas gifts for his wife and girlfriend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpmarty View Post
    Please conjugate that.

    "This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."


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    Long Post. About zealous enforcement. The good and the bad.

    I live just north of Terlingua, Texas. Terlingua is the home of a huge international Chili Cookoff. Every November some 10,000 folks in motorhomes, trucks, motorcycles, cars, bicycles, and on foot arrive at one or the other of two sites to party, cook chili, get drunk, cook chili, ride around in ATVs, cook chili, get drunk again, and have a good time. Think huge rally but drunker and more boisterous. This in a rural area with a few hundred local inhabitants.

    In the early years there was a lot of drunk driving, lots of accidents, injuries, and a few deaths. As years have passed the presence of the Texas state troopers has increased. We see trooper cars more often in the three peak days of the cookoff than all of the rest of the year combined. There can be 10 or 15 troopers patrolling a few miles of highway. I've seen 5 in 3 miles. Drivers will be stopped for anything! Dirty license plate; your tire hit the white line at the edge of the road; one mph over the limit; you were 10 under and I wondered why; your back window is dirty; etc.

    Mostly the locals just stay home while the troopers imported from all over the state do their thing.

    But over the years the chiliheads that drink have learned. Now they mostly haul their intoxicants here with them, settle into their encampments, and stay there for the entire cookoff. The rash of drunk driving, accidents, injuries, and deaths doesn't happen any more.

    The locals tolerate things but grumble a lot. The input to the local economy is limited because the restaurants and other businesses don't see most of the cookoff folk much- they bring stuff and stay put, and then leave. The stops that would be silly any other time of year are just expected because we know the troopers have invaded south Brewster County.

    We think they use seniority when deciding who to send from Dallas, or Houston, or Amarillo, or Dripping Springs, or wherever. We don't get wisend seasoned troopers. We get the young ones whose shoes have never been polished yet, but are still shiny out of the box.

    When we do need to go someplace, all in all I'd rather risk a roadside chat than a head-on with a drunk. The troopers would say, "mission accomplished".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockbottom View Post
    I was on Skyline Drive yesterday and had been about 100 yards behind a park ranger for around a mile. Then he pulled over, flipped on his lights, and gave me a lecture about how "those things" can "easily speed." Keep in mind I hadn't broken any laws whatsoever. The he demanded to know how far I intended to ride on Skyline (which wasn't really any of his business) and felt compelled to correct my pronunciation of "Luray."

    At the time, I didn't want to get confrontation so I could just continue on, but now that I've stewed about it, I'm considering filing a complaint. I'm a HUGE supporter of law enforcement but the fact is that there is some tiny minority of them who become abusive as a power trip, and this seemed like one.
    I would be in hot water at work if I pulled you for "just because". There is case law about traffic stops, there has to be a reason for his stop. I am sorry that you encountered a bad apple. We are not all like that and love motorcycles and motorcyclist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easy View Post
    "This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."

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    Quote Originally Posted by easy View Post
    "This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."


    Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill
    Churchill did not have a hyphenated last name. It was Churchill. Period.

    Happy to live the quotation, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norms 427 View Post
    Wow, that seems like a high threshold. Washington State and especially Oregon don't give that kind of leeway.
    That is a pretty common threshold, especially if the officer isn't primarily assigned to traffic enforcement. When I was wearing the badge, I did a lot of years of general patrol (but always being partial to traffic enforcement, made more stops, more tickets, and more DUI arrests then other 'generalists'), before finally spending my last six years on a traffic detail.

    When I was working general patrol, I gave everyone 15 over. I always figured that it was pretty hard to argue that much of a violation (it wasn't LOL). Most of my partners did the same. And in spite of that, I still wrote as many tickets as I had time for (as someone else already mentioned). Once I was assigned to traffic, my threshold dropped to about 10 over, simply because I was expected to write more tickets, and I was working a lot more surface streets with lower speed limits.

    Now, I routinely set my pedal (or cruise control) at 9 mph over posted, and can drive by CHP officers running laser and through active aircraft speed zones all day long...I have never been stopped. It truly is the discretion of the individual officer, but I have found that here in my area, this works for me (and I commute 100 miles round trip a day).
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