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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselyoda View Post
    A friend of mine is a super smart criminal defense lawyer, I showed her all the images/videos and comments posted here.

    She looked at me and very matter of fact said, "stupid is the reason why I still have a job."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselyoda View Post
    A friend of mine is a super smart criminal defense lawyer, I showed her all the images/videos and comments posted here.

    She looked at me and very matter of fact said, "stupid is the reason why I still have a job."
    Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    kept overtime on my paychecks for 32+years.
    Psst..........That's now a dirty word
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    Psst..........That's now a dirty word
    Not in my universe, but thanks for the heads up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sibud View Post
    St. Louis just went thru this a few weeks back with the annual "Ride of the Century" ass hats.

    I applauded the St. Louis police for their reasonable actions in trying to handle these self centered jerks that want to take up the whole highway just to say "look at me, aren't I a great stunt rider".

    The cops said they would provide an escort front and back of the group to try to reduce the interactions between drivers and stunt riders. So they had them all gather on the street by the river, in front of the Arch. Then let them out, one at a time after they showed a MC endorsement, proof of insurance and a valid license plate. Failure to provide those resulted in confiscation of bike and traffic citations.

    I don't consider that harassment at all. I consider that smart policing. Keep those who should not have been on the streets off and permitted those who should have been on the street to participate.

    Personally, I find it difficult to see how any responsible rider could condone those types of events.

    Set aside the confrontation with the SUV for a moment and just watch the behavior of the folks on the many videos of that ride. ATV's, motorcycles on the sidewalks, blocking traffic, riding in the oncoming lane. And they wonder why drivers get upset.

    As a rider, I get upset as well. This behavior gets all riders lumped into that same group. It's not a good thing for the general motorcycle community. It's not a good thing for BMW riders. It's not a good thing period.

    Your mileage may vary.

    Myrtle Beach, SC has to deal with the same thing every year. It has tried multiple options, but none have been fully successful. My family there often tries to just leave town during the the two weeks. When I started riding I had to devote a fair amount of time explaining to family (both mine and my wife's) that what they saw was not emblematic of all motorcyclists.

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    We were leaving FL(longish camp& fish thing) a few years back as some of ("some of" is important to note!) the Daytona MC crowd was filtering into FL. I can attest (I do know "one" when I see "one") that I saw lots of people on MC's that I don't want for a neighbor! Do they "work" for a living?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    We were leaving FL(longish camp& fish thing) a few years back as some of ("some of" is important to note!) the Daytona MC crowd was filtering into FL. I can attest (I do know "one" when I see "one") that I saw lots of people on MC's that I don't want for a neighbor! Do they "work" for a living?
    True for some, but the vast majority I've run into were just in costume for the event. Haloween doesn't usually scare me and neither do circus clowns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    True for some, but the vast majority I've run into were just in costume for the event. Haloween doesn't usually scare me and neither do circus clowns.
    Paul, I do agree as our society seems to have more "posers" than ever before, at least in my time. Having worked in a prison,taught juvy kids & later was a super of a juvy program I can "tell" much of the time about who's the bugger man. There are more of them amongst us than inside a facility. As more government agencies go broke that will change. Also, it's not about a scare for me but I'm pretty normal not a some kind of guy out to be a hero.
    Sadly, the NYC MC thing will have that effect(fear of MC groups) on some of the public. I'm in the group (some have already commented) that there would have been a loud bang sound during such an experience but happily to say, it wasn't my family at that scene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    We were leaving FL(longish camp& fish thing) a few years back as some of ("some of" is important to note!) the Daytona MC crowd was filtering into FL. I can attest (I do know "one" when I see "one") that I saw lots of people on MC's that I don't want for a neighbor! Do they "work" for a living?
    Yes - they do work for a living. Selling drugs, firearms and burglary loot can be exhausting and take up a lot of hours.

    Another officer and I spent 6 full days and nights at Bike Week in 2004 in Daytona. I'd like to report that "the vast majority were just there for fun and there were only a few bad apples in the crowds." Sadly, I cannot.
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    Part of the vastly complex problem is that society glorifies thugs, and thug-like attitudes. The pro & college sports athletes, the cage fighters, people in the entertainment business- these knuckleheads are the "heroes", the ones our children and their children look up to. Society has these people on a pedestal. In turn, some folks wind up thinking it's OK to emulate the thug persona- without, perhaps, fully understanding the ramifications. Without ever thinking they'll be called onto the carpet to take responsibility for any of their own actions.

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    Sadly, more of these types of people aren't brought down to be held responsible for acting like thugs. I'm not anti LEO. The cops out there, especially in big cities, have a really tough gig, and I wouldn't fault them for dealing with stuff in ALMOST anyway they deem necessary. BUT I see our "justice" system as weak, misguided, stressed to the hilt, and out of focus. The prisons are overflowing with people doing mandatory time for things like drug "crimes"- while serial, or career criminals often walk with parole, probation, or suspended sentences. These are often the more violent criminals... yet the prisons are so full (BTW, we now have private companies making PROFIT off prisons) that the "real" criminals don't get the sentences that would seem to make sense for their crimes.

    The ramifications of this and similar occurrences will reach far beyond the cities, tho, and could well affect each of us sooner or later- in things like random checkpoints, perhaps, or in the way society views US motorcyclists. Among all other tragic elements of this incident, this stands out as maybe the most unjust aspect, in my mind.
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    Squids in mass

    Was in a situation some years back in York, PA area where traffic was high volumn conjestion and there was a large group of squids on crotch rockets. No regard for anyone else. They tried to control traffic in a similar manner to the incident in NY. Slowed down within two feet of my bumper so they could allow themselves lane control at near hiway speeds. Had wife and kids in the car. The one blocking turned around and signaled for me to back off in a single fingered gesture. These sorts of groups should be made to ride tricycles.

    I would have done the same as the victim in the Range Rover. Crotch Rocket Riders were the guilty party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1cbpippin View Post
    Was in a situation some years back in York, PA area where traffic was high volumn conjestion and there was a large group of squids on crotch rockets. No regard for anyone else. They tried to control traffic in a similar manner to the incident in NY. Slowed down within two feet of my bumper so they could allow themselves lane control at near hiway speeds. Had wife and kids in the car. The one blocking turned around and signaled for me to back off in a single fingered gesture. These sorts of groups should be made to ride tricycles.

    I would have done the same as the victim in the Range Rover. Crotch Rocket Riders were the guilty party.
    Interesting. I've never seen that in the Central PA area. And I rode through York yesterday. (I did see a future organ donor pull about a 30 second wheelie on Rt 441 north of Columbia, PA right after though). Worst I've had was one of them pass me on the right in my lane a tight left curve on PA Route 125. I was so surprised that I didn't have time to give him a visual critique of his stupidity.

    But as I think I said earlier, in general I'd err on the side of safety and if necessary just pull over. But once I feel it's become a matter of survival (like if I'd been the Range Rover driver), I would immediately attempt to kill as many of them as possible.

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    Here we go....

    Yesterday's news.
    On this page there are at least a couple mentions of "bikers" running amok in NYC and the area....

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1485155

    D'ya think for one second, after all that's being made of the Henry Hudson PKWY thing, that guys would just chill for even one minute.

    No, I guess not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwrider88 View Post
    Yesterday's news.
    On this page there are at least a couple mentions of "bikers" running amok in NYC and the area....

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1485155

    D'ya think for one second, after all that's being made of the Henry Hudson PKWY thing, that guys would just chill for even one minute.

    No, I guess not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1cbpippin View Post
    Was in a situation some years back in York, PA area where traffic was high volumn conjestion and there was a large group of squids on crotch rockets. No regard for anyone else. They tried to control traffic in a similar manner to the incident in NY. Slowed down within two feet of my bumper so they could allow themselves lane control at near hiway speeds. Had wife and kids in the car. The one blocking turned around and signaled for me to back off in a single fingered gesture. These sorts of groups should be made to ride tricycles.
    I've seen the V-twin types block intersections and direct traffic (against signals) so their group/pack can stay as a single group. The latest example was a month ago at the intersection of PA45 and PA144 in Centre Co.
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