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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Sort of on-topic maybe, I have long been of the belief that technology drives in a way, the manner in which traffic laws are enforced. The advent of radar being accepted as reliable helped make speed enforcement a favorite because the officers had an accepted technology to back up their professional judgement. They thus avoid any pretext of he-said-she-said if the summons is disputed. This of course assumes the officer has the requisite training documented, and the testing of the apparatus is current and documented.

    It strikes me now, that the widespread use of in-car cameras gives the officers that technological device to back up their judgement regarding: following too closely, agressive driving, illegal lane change, texting or phone use, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerreece View Post
    I think the law enforcement industry should be more proactive and timely in their approach to public safety. The industry, yes I said industry, is a business that does have to be competitive, or should (maybe like the military that's the problem, little or no competition). If safety/trend analysts determine variable c to be catastrophically more dangerous then variable a then taylor your enforcement efforts and punitive efforts more towards variable c without neglecting variable a. This situation with text was identified 5, 10 years ago maybe and the lag in law enforcement's approach has been tragic for many families.
    On the non-linear dynamic battlefields that I fought on for 22 years a one size fits all, react to the enemy, let him have the initiative approach was always easy and always fatal.
    I have been a single engine rotary wing combat mission instructor pilot since 1999 which to put in perspective is like being an MSF coach on steroids. Imagine teaching an MSF course where you are on the bike with the student and you have less than one second ( literally that's what are height velocity diagram states ) for the student to make the corrective action and if he/she doesn't it will turn fatal for you and the student. Then imagine doing that three hours a day Monday through Friday for twenty or thirty years, and that's just contact phase, now strap goggles on you and the students face and do it all over again, and when it turns fatal, you get to take a road trip to DC to put your buddy in the ground. So I know a thing or two about positive habit transfer negative habit transfer, I have an undergraduate degree with a concentration in educational psychology. All that said I'm not an MSF coach and I still hold in great regard the good ones like my mentor Bill Maxwell.
    Much of what I teach is muscle memory and repition similar to the BRC, however when I teach I emphasize that muscle memory, repetition is usually what gets you through a situation when you can't think clearly, when your SA is low. I guess I should say if all else fails it is a poor substitute for SA. For example when we get a low rotor rpm audio muscle memory dictates that we lower the collective and enter an autorotation profile, (that's the less than one second low inertia rotor disk thingy I was mentioning earlier) however, what if it's an NR tac failure and your engine is working fine a situationally aware person would pick this up and continue to fly and land as soon as possible, a muscle memory, non situationally aware person would autorotate possibly into trees and possibly kill two people and destroy 8 million dollars worth of government equipment. Habit transfer is so strong with some it's hard to overcome even when the situation dictates otherwise, in Iraq I was flying with one of my PIC's we go out test fire the gun and it's inop, we elect to continue mission with the rocket pod as our only usable weapon, because the .50 is our primary suppression weapon system the PC had the habit of always thumbing the .50 weapons page even though we had already determined the gun was inop, about every 30 minutes in a 6 hour flight I had to tell him to thumb his rocket page, even though he was aware the .50 was inop. Positive habit transfer, no substitute for situational awareness.
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    In this case technology is the problem, but in another it could be the solution. Cars that are self-driving are not too far off in the future. Taking distracted drivers out of the equation entirely could be a good thing.
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    My "personal soapbox", i.e., primary driving concern remains to be that many cannot "drive" in the first place-the cell phone,speed,eating,parenting,reading,primping,etc. , issues are another layer on that basic issue.
    Now, do I even want to ask, "what is Facetime"? No, I really don't care much but ignorant & curious...

    On a private note I "sort of enjoyed", if you get my drift, the IP's clip above, as it reminded me of my 1969 Ft. Wolter,TX rides with an IP that was chain smoking his way through each days ride, having told me early on that he was going through a divorce & thus to explain his behavior...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerreece View Post
    Interesting Observation Paul. You're so smart.
    I'm reminded of having "tried" to turn in a driver that was all over the road-right in front of us for miles(before cell use)- while we were on our a.m. commute years ago. When I got to work the guy at the state police said if they didn't see it it didn't happen. With the in car camera does that shake out any differently? Could I have taken my own pic? Thing is we have all these multitudes these days taking pics of everything in sight as they carry their cell cameras (sort of) "imbedded in their bodies"..
    "If I had my life to live over, I'd dare to make more mistakes next time...I'd relax,I'd limber up... I would take fewer things seriously...take more chances... take more trips...climb more mountains...swim more rivers...eat more ice cream." Jorge Luis Borges at age 85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    I'm reminded of having "tried" to turn in a driver that was all over the road-right in front of us for miles(before cell use)- while we were on our a.m. commute years ago. When I got to work the guy at the state police said if they didn't see it it didn't happen. With the in car camera does that shake out any differently? Could I have taken my own pic? Thing is we have all these multitudes these days taking pics of everything in sight as they carry their cell cameras (sort of) "imbedded in their bodies"..
    I recall a similar incident in the news, I forget where or when exactly, when one motorist tried to alert an officer about an apparently drunk driver. He/she got the same answer you did. Then about ten minutes later a car matching the description, on the same road, a bit further down the road, hit another car head-on causing a few fatalities.

    In this case the authorities had an extremely difficult time explaining their initial reaction.
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    Twice in Fairbanks I called in a seemingly impaired driver. On both occassions the police kept me on the line until they contacted the driver. In one case I got a follow-up call telling me the driver was DUI.
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    Good thing none of our motorcycle bretheren ride distracted, especailly not those "worlds toughest," "safe," long-distance riders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    Twice in Fairbanks I called in a seemingly impaired driver. On both occassions the police kept me on the line until they contacted the driver. In one case I got a follow-up call telling me the driver was DUI.
    I actually followed this "white haired older lady to her job" as we commuted in that a.m. so as to help the police find her and (supposedly) to get to the bottom of the situ.-sadly that never happened.
    My "other story" on this same page is some years back while driving back from KS to KY in the middle of the night-was after midnight- we came down the exit ramp on I-64 in Frankfort , KY too meet!!!!!!! another car which I avoided by driving onto the shoulder!!!! As we came to the stop sign at the lower end of the ramp, there is a state police car and the officer is shaking down what looks to be a hitchhiker. The guys "stuff" is spread around the general area at the base of the stop sign. I pull over, yes I was "energized" by the past moments & I get the officers attention verbally to which I'm told to essentially bug , "don't you see I'm busy". Well it seemed important to me that someone had just entered the I road in the wrong direction! so I ask him again for his attention to which I was told to "get out of there now". It wasn't like he had his weapon out on the hitch guy either. I went to the 1st gas station and called from there. Not either of these is a great advertisement for what is a respected police organization,huh?
    "If I had my life to live over, I'd dare to make more mistakes next time...I'd relax,I'd limber up... I would take fewer things seriously...take more chances... take more trips...climb more mountains...swim more rivers...eat more ice cream." Jorge Luis Borges at age 85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydrummerdude View Post
    Good thing none of our motorcycle bretheren ride distracted, especailly not those "worlds toughest," "safe," long-distance riders.

    one head scratch for each add-on "device" I see:


    did I miss one?
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    Lexington,KY Herald-Leader paper yesterday states that a fed grant will be paying overtime for 2 officers per day to catch texting drivers-one to drive one, to watch. I worked with criminals professionally & think I have a fair understanding of the criminal mind (does anyone?) & the traditional "boogeyman" but as they say, "they are now us"?
    "If I had my life to live over, I'd dare to make more mistakes next time...I'd relax,I'd limber up... I would take fewer things seriously...take more chances... take more trips...climb more mountains...swim more rivers...eat more ice cream." Jorge Luis Borges at age 85.

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