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    SPEED KILLS (Your Pocketbook)

    Interesting take on what causes people to speed and what works and does not work when setting speed limits to improve road safety.

    http://youtu.be/2BKdbxX1pDw
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogthebasher View Post
    Interesting take on what causes people to speed and what works and does not work when setting speed limits to improve road safety.

    http://youtu.be/2BKdbxX1pDw
    Great, thanks. I was just wondering last night who I complain to about the ridiculously low speed limits on the hwy's in BC, and especially on the Sunshine Coast. The RCMP come over from West Van/Squamish just to ticket on this hwy because it's speed limit is 80 km/h and the hwy is easily safe at 120 km/h. And they ticket at anything above 5 km/h. They make bets about who can give out the most tickets in a day. I have nothing nice to say about LEO's that focus on that, they should be out doing real police work.

    Great link, great video, already sent my letter of protest.

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    Thanks I enjoyed the link. I also agree.
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    I fine it very irritating when I'm on a two lane county road in southern Ontario and by crossing an imaginary line into another township the speed limit changes. It's the same road but suddenly the speed changes from 60 to 80, for example, or 80 to 60 depending on direction of travel.

    Another speed issue is that the speed limit posted on curves in some places can be so slow that I'm assuming these are the winter speeds in a blinding snow with ice on the road. A speed limit of 50 where 80 is safe, for example, and these places exist. Two beautiful new "improvements" on roads I ride have this 50 limit and 80 is the speed one rides them at without thinking this is dangerous.

    Speed may kill, as they say, but I'm more inclined to think stupidity kills.

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    In my recent 8800 mile trek across the US (and back) I noticed that drivers generally travelled at the same rate of speed regardless of the posted limit. And in places where conditions made the posted speed limit seem excessive to the average driver, folks voluntarily slowed down. Distracted drivers were the chief hazard I encountered, yet I saw several LEOs pass texting drivers without giving them a second glance.

    My conclusion was that cops have an objective means of tracking drivers exceeding the speed limit, while other more odious offenses would be harder to prove in court so go unpunished. The laws are simply following the easy money.
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    Cool

    While I agree certain speed limits are outdated and could be 'bumped up' without excessive risk to traffic safety, this is hardly a professional piece of investigative journalism.

    Buzz comments like "cops label all drivers as deviant criminals" and "doesn't look too socialist" start showing up in the very first few sentences.

    This You-Tube piece is blatantly slanted to be anti-law enforcement - not really surprised.

    If You-Tube is your source of journalistic excellence, any debate over the objectivity of this topic was over before it ever started.
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    Agree, completely. Unlike 'most' politicians, i think it does matter who you vote in as your local sheriff.

    Here in Ft Collins, Colorado (Larimer County) we have a Sheriff who actually uses common sense. For example, our new State laws regarding gun registration and magazine limits is now under heavy scrutiny, not only by him filing law suits and refusing to enforce the new law, but also by other county Sheriff's in the State, mostly those north of Denver.

    At every opportunity, each of us should do whatever we can to protect and take back our freedoms. There are folks in Washington DC and primary in California who would like to see your BMW limited to a 1:15 ratio of horsepower to weight (lbs dry weight). Just think of it, a new 2014 R1200RT with a whopping 38 hp. Where do I sign up?

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    I think this video could go viral; it has already been picked up on another board that I frequent. It's obviously a position piece, but it's well done.

    We spent several miserable hours on the B.C. section of the Trans Canada Highway yesterday, coming back from Nakusp. We thought we would avoid summer traffic this weekend but, no joy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwmotorwerkz View Post
    Freedom is like credibility. Once you lose it, it is very difficult to get it back.
    Considering that construction of public roads isn't mentioned in the original constitution, how can you claim you have a freedom to travel on them any speed you deem appropriate?

    "Public roads" (beyond city streets) didn't really appear until after the War of 1812 when the federal gov't finally realized that inland trade was effectively strangled by the lack of roads (i.e., infrastructure). However, with the arrival of train technology in the 1840's, the next 70 years were dominated by the rail barons that controlled most all transcontinental transport and "public road" construction was pretty much ignored by the federal and state governments. US public road construction didn't really occur until the Great Depression with the expansion of federal highway system as public works programs. Then, in the 1950's, Eisenhower passed the Interstate Highway Program as a Cold War defense program to aid rapid mobilization, based on Mussolini's Autostrade and Hitler's Autobahn.

    Laying claim to a right and paraphrasing a few selected lines from the Constitution is a surefire path to end-up on the wrong side of the law and your neighbors.

    If no speed limits are a good thing, why did the state of Montana reinstate theirs?
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    I find that, here in the States, most highway speed limits are fair, but I agree that speed fines are not a means to prevent road accidents.

    Since signage cannot be changed quickly to reflect current weather or road conditions, the limits must be calculated to lean towards worst case scenarios to keep most drivers safe. The quality and experience level of drivers on any one road at any time covers a wide range so the posted limit must account for that.

    I see two possible solutions that could make everyone happier in the future:

    1. Speed limit signs that automatically update to reflect current conditons. These exist on I-5 near Seattle now and work well.
    2. Separated express lanes with unlimited speed limits and increased liability in the event of an accident.


    I personally would be a safer rider if I didn't need to spend time looking at my speedometer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post

    If no speed limits are a good thing, why did the state of Montana reinstate theirs?
    Didn't the feds threaten to withhold highway funds if they didn't reimpose speed limits? I think Montana caved at the thought of losing several million $$$. Not sure of my facts, but pretty certain I read that somewhere a few years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
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    If no speed limits are a good thing, why did the state of Montana reinstate theirs?
    From what I understand, it was due to a lawsuit. The law was subjective, and a guy got a speeding ticket, as the cop had a different interpretation of reasonable speed, than the ticketed driver. So the driver took it to court and out of the mess, the state government decided that the way the former law was written was in essence not enforceable, so they put a value on reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pffog View Post
    From what I understand, it was due to a lawsuit. The law was subjective, and a guy got a speeding ticket, as the cop had a different interpretation of reasonable speed, than the ticketed driver. So the driver took it to court and out of the mess, the state government decided that the way the former law was written was in essence not enforceable, so they put a value on reasonable.
    You mean a law that establishes a minimum standard of conduct? That's novel.
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    The principal point to be taken here is that Canadian speed limits are artificially low. I had just started driving in the 1970's when the limit on Ontario's 400 series highways was reduced from 70 mph to 60mph. (pre-metric days) The justification given was fuel savings because of the energy crisis. When the "crisis" was over American speed limits went up, but Canadian politicians didn't reciprocate.

    Vehicles are far more fuel efficient today, far safer and highways are still designed for significantly higher speeds than the current 100 km/h limit. Transport Canada statistics show that vehicular injuries and fatalities are at their lowest rates in decades. Only a tiny percentage are attributed to excessive speed, and in those cases it's mostly relative to weather conditions.

    Given current technology and the huge distances encountered in Canada the low speed limits are a travesty. The functional speed limit driving through Toronto (other than at rush hour) is 125+/-, with the speed limit unenforced. I would urge Ontario residents to look at stop100.ca. I signed their petition and sent the e-mails and just got a response from the Minister of Transportation. Maybe there is some hope.
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    Excellent video. Hopefully it'll convince a majority of lawmakers to up the speeds like Texas recently has.

    Here's my fix. Increase all highway, byway, back roads and freeway maximum speeds to a speed faster than the fastest car (and motorcycle) can achieve. No more speeding.


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