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    Question 04 MOA Rally

    Why is there such a prodigious number of skeptics, worry worts ,complainers and so forth in this thread? As one who has traveled a fair amount of North America including Mexico I really don't see what all the ado is about, Either you want to go or you don't ! It is in Spokane like it or not. If not Stay home or go somewher else. It appears that a lot of folks have put a lot of there time and effort to make this happen. All we have to do is show up or not. If you want guarantees go to DISNEYLAND or take an all inclusive CRUISE. I suggest that some of you read Jupiters Travels by Ted Simon. Actually I think everyone should read it ,its really pretty good. Hey this is just my two cents worth.

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    Re: 04 MOA Rally

    Originally posted by Scott
    Why is there such a prodigious number of skeptics, worry worts ,complainers and so forth in this thread?
    It's not just this thread, this forum or even motorcyclists in general. It's the beauty of the internet. Everyone has an opinion and everyone who doesn't agree must be wrong!

    Glad you took the time to share yours.

    MarkF
    Last edited by MarkF; 12-27-2003 at 07:02 PM.

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    Valid point, Mark

    I never have figured out why, but motorcyclists in general, and MOA members in particular, have an affinity for the negative. We complain about BMW, MOA, our local club, dealers, the slab, the weather, rallies in particular, and each other.

    One of the rare rallies I've been to that was entirely positive was the latest RA rally. In actual fact, it was easy to blame it on the Barber Museum, or so, but lots of circumstances and dodgie planning made it an organizer's bad dream. At the last moment, Barber refused to allow alcohol, or the permits failed, and they had to give away beer (limit 2 per). Only one, over priced food vendor was allowed in, and they kept running out of food. Vendors were good, but scarce. Some of the organizers were vocally at each other's throats - or so they told me. The door prizes were an order of magnitude smaller and fewer than at MOA. Yet the rally goers cheered it all, while almost everything I heard about Charleston was bitching.

    I sure have to give a lot of credit to the people in MOA who volunteer to plan, organize, and work their butts off to carry out a big rally. It is a big challenge, but I sure don't find it much fun. Especially when I hear nothing but gripes. I've decided that MOA nationals are misery magnets - the only people who enjoy them are those who come to kick back and have a good time.

    This year, why not come to Spokane with the intention of kicking back, and having a good time? Spokane should be a good place to do it. Good roads, friendly locals, and just getting to / being in the the Northwest makes me happy. It's contagious.

    Jim Shaw

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    an observation

    I've been following, not only this thread, but in previous years before the Forum existed. It does seem as though there are a few malcontents who are only happy when they're unhappy. Or that their only reason for being is to complain. It also seems as if the same complaints are aired following a rally, and the same questions are asked before the rally. Perhaps we could direst some of this to another venue on the forum, FAQ's, having to do with the rally. But then I wonder if it would make a difference. My suggestion - if you have a complaint, offer a solution. Just accept the fact that nothing here is perfect or guaranteed. Live with it.
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    Hey, I did not mean to hijack this thread. I guess that I'm guilty of complaining about complainers. So what does that make me ? Another complainer. Sorry folks. I will enjoy what life gives me and will be glad to share a story , idea , suggestion , or best of all a beer with all I meet at Spokane or any where else for that matter. Sorry for the earlier rant.
    SCOTT

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    Beer?

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    Nice to meet you, Scott. We're starting to get some SF folks here. You, ian408, fish, syeager, lone*star, who else?
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    Thumbs up Beer???

    MMMM Beer

    So there.
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    BEER??!! count me in for that!
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    Cool Rally

    So far in spite of some negative things I have been reading about the rally, I plan to ride from the Florida Keys to Spokane and bring along my brother and dad who both just bought new BMW's ,a K1200 GT and K1200 LT respectively.
    We will then ride up to Spokane together to enjoy ourselves and meet old friends and make new ones.
    From there we plan on seeing Glacier, Yellowstone, Tetons and Mount Rushmore. Sturgis is also on the planning board as by then it will be early August.
    It will be a lot of riding but we are looking forward to this adventure.
    The beer part does help too as we will be parched from the ride So there better be some when we get there!!

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    Oh boy. I think we've got a couple contenders for the Long Distance awards......

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    Talking

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    Sometimes I read these posts and I can't understand them at all...... gotta throw in my 2 cents worth.
    MOA Rallies have ALWAYS been all over the country. Much of the fun of going to the rally is getting there(most BMW riders like to RIDE their bikes, more than the average biker) and it's always been exciting to find out at the awards ceremony where we're going next year, and start to think about how to get there from here. If it had always been in the same place, I'm not sure I'd have kept going for so long...over the years, it's given me an excuse to ride through every part of the country.
    No place or time is ever perfect for the rally for everyone. It's when & where it is, according to who steps up to the plate to make it happen. Adjust. And if you have somewhere special in mind, make it happen! Lots of folks will help- always have. That's how these things work. There's no silver platter!
    Has anyone who was there forgotten how humid it was at Hurricane Mills, or how hot it was in Florida? or how much it rained in Shreve? or how dusty the grounds were in Lake Placid? But all of those were great rallies! I wouldn't have missed 'em for anything. The only rallies that have disappointed me were the ones I didn't get to. It's all part of the adventure!
    A rally isn't great because of where it is, it's great because we all show up and make it the best we can. (Whiners can take something away from that, but only if you let 'em.....I often wonder if these same folks whine as much at home....like maybe that's why they were able to get the time to come to the rally in the first place?)

    I thought Charleston was a grand (and brave) experiment, and overall, a great success. The site was well situated, scenic, lots of room, great food nearby. Everybody I know who wanted a room got one for reasonable money, and there was plenty of camping space. Given that we'd never had an "in-town" rally before, the whole show came off a lot more smoothly than might have been expected. And the entertainment was really outstanding!

    I saw all my rally friends, wherever they were staying, on or off campus(Hint- if you want to see everybody at the rally, volunteer. At the beer tent, or registration, or security....anywhere, it really makes you a lot more visible, and it's more fun than just watching)

    If you're thinking about Spokane, do it. The ride getting there is beautiful, wherever you're coming from. I lived in Washington State through all of the '90s, and there are few motorcycling destinations that can compare with the northwest region. And if you have some time, the Top o' the Rockies and the Lunatic Fringe rallies are just a week away, and both are always a certifiable great time!

    See you there!
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    ain't how I got here......

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    Originally posted by beemerPhil
    ...... gotta throw in my 2 cents worth. Much of the fun of going to the rally is getting there.
    Gotta agree. My only limitations are vacation time and spousal acceptance. Otherwise every rally I attended would be a weeks ride each way.

    MarkF

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    I'm never negative ...

    Or truthfully -- and on a positive note, I'm very good at complaining.

    I spent a lot of years working as an employed exec in a notorious volunteer organization, otherwise known as, "Church." I have seen a lot of unhappy people, and a lot of happy people. From a classical, reformed theological standpoint, I would say those who are unhappy are predestined to be that way, and those who are happy are predestined to be that way.

    That said, I hold a personal view that the holy writ does not support a strict predestinarian viewpoint, and that mankind is indeed able to make volitional choices. So, as an exegetical theologian turned customer service specialist in a large retail operation, I would classify most of the public as follows:

    1. Chronically discontened with no intent of changing.

    2. Somewhat contented but easily offended.

    3. Contented but easily pleased.

    4. Usually contented but occasionally offended over issues of substance.

    5. Always contented and able to cope with all but the most dire of tragedies.

    Unfortunately, it seems most of the American public falls somewhere in the un-contented brackets (1 & 2), and a very small minority niches into the other three.

    Moving away from a theological view and into a psychological one, it seems there are a lot of ego-centric people in the populace, and not a few of these self-centered individuals ride motorcycles. So the rally organizer or volunteer who takes it all personal is doomed to a frustrated life. Those discontents were unhappy before they got there, may lack the personal desire or ability to change, and are thus self-condemed to terminal cranial rectosis, a.k.a. as head-in-arse disease.

    Like a skilled customer service specialist, the smart rally worker will smile, project a positive attitude, listen patiently, nod attentively, do what they can within reason, not take the other person's attitude as a personal affront, and then forget about it.

    It is over 2,300 miles to the rally site from my home, and my discontent is over not being able to go. However, as a firmly entrenched category 4, if I could go, I would be a happy camper, unless the beer ran out.
    Last edited by basketcase; 12-28-2003 at 04:50 PM.

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    I have been an MOA member for 4 years at this point and have attended Rally;s in Midland, Redmond, Trenton and Charleston. My wife rides with me and I must admit the fun is the ride to the rally( no trailer queen here) meeting the people etc. I am looking forward to the 04 Rally and do agree the all in one venue is consistent with the best experiences we have had to this point. As far as " Sturgis" I have been there too and our Ralleye is much different and I enjoy the people that attend the whole experiece, with riders of many different bikes there as well. The BMWOA Rally is somthing we look forward to and expct to have a great time this year as well.
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    Scott, I could not have said it better. As I said before, some people are looking for an excuse to complain.

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