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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    Well we might as well ask is Canada safe to ride in?
    As far as riding itself goes, yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

    Some third world countries are much more dangerous to ride or drive in than the US.

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    The chart makes for some interesting thoughts when weighed against places where I've shared the road & developed a personal opinion.
    Check out the Dominican Republic-wow! Whats different there than say Puerto Rico? Jamaica has some really bad roads, beat up cars & honking , aggressive drivers yet low rate of fatalities-maybe we need to consider that what matters is how many cars(3rd world implies less vehicles usually) are on what quality road in that country?
    My best e.g. is Mexico where I've spent lots of road time, both bike & car & can assure you that the canyons are full of burned hulks of wrecked cars,trucks & buses! If you ever take the Cuota that runs over the mountain from Mexacali westward I defy you to count the "hulks over the side" & not become one too. Many Mexicans are skillful, safe drivers-Thank God! The rest are-OMG! They split lanes, pass on hills & curves, live with the rule "biggest vehicle wins mentality"(count the whole of the Americas into this notion IMO) and pretty much a dog eat dog place to hang out-on the roads, that is...
    Ireland(aggressive drivers IMO) has a fairly low rate, similar to Jamaica where drivers are worse, as are roads. My final analysis is that there's way more to it than the numbers shown on that chart, much of which is beyond my knowledge base.
    The adjustments we make as riders in those locales help to get us home for another day. Living in a rural area I'm reminded of this adjustment need each time I enter the "urban crazy race driver, lane switching, cutoff driving some of you live in on your commutes. Honestly it's an occasional "road slap in the face" to one who lives in a county with no red lights, no I-roads, no factories, no shopping centers, no suburbs, not many people,etc..
    "If I had my life to live over, I'd dare to make more mistakes next time...I'd relax,I'd limber up... I would take fewer things seriously...take more chances... take more trips...climb more mountains...swim more rivers...eat more ice cream." Jorge Luis Borges at age 85.

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    Yo quiero regresar a mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by beemerdons View Post
    I agree with you LDB, I rode to Guatemala City by myself in 1990 but I do not believe I would do that anymore! Safety in Numbers is a Safe Rule of Travel!

    AZ Beemers are in the planning stages for a GS Dirt Bike Ride to Real de Catorce and Huasteca Potosina in April of 2015, if we can't get six-we just don't go!
    Chuy,

    How 'bout a GS trip in April 2014 ? I mean I'm interested in learning about your 2015 trip as your plans progress.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaellmcc View Post
    Chuy,

    How 'bout a GS trip in April 2015 ? I mean I'm interested in learning about your 2015 trip as your plans progress.

    Mike
    Hola Mike, our AZ Beemers Club #89 is still actively working on the planning logistics of the April in 2015 GS Dirt Ride to Real de Catorce and on to Huasteca Potosina. As soon as I have more specific information I will post it up under the Southwest Section of our BMW MOA Forum.

    We AZ Beemers have used MotoDiscovery on previous Mexico dirt expeditions for support and we will do this once again in April of 2015. We AZ Beemers have discovered over the years MD Owner Skip Mascorro can put together our dirt trips for less Dinero than we would spend!

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    Muchas Gracias Skip, I'll let the M/C Dirt Donks at all 3 forums know that preparations are under way for this "Mother of All Mexico Dirt Bike Rides"!

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    Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:21 am
    Subject: Re: Hola Skip, do you think you'd be able to put together a promotional blurb on this Real de Catorce ride for my publication in April 2014?

    Hello Don,

    Great to hear from you. I did get your card and note on this.
    I'm really excited about the prospects of this ride. The third night in Real de Catorce is good as there is a lot to do and see in the area.
    Let me begin to lay our the itinerary on this and see if I can come up with something. The Huasteca is a treasure of great riding both on and off the pavement.
    Let me confirm a few of the specifics:
    start and end in McAllen, TX
    duration between 10-12 days (the shorter the better for marketing reasons but I feel we shouldn't compromise the quality of the event so however much time it takes to do it right is what we should dedicate to it.)
    ideal season to be safe should be early March though May...we'll be in high altiplano or sierras through most of this so heat shouldn't be a problem
    light dual purpose, nothing too demanding or technical
    I'll see how we can fit in Las Golondrinas as well.
    Have a great Christmas Don...this is one I don't think I can miss so hope to share a road with you and Brian and the gang in 2015.

    Saludos,
    Skip Mascorro


    On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Don Stanley wrote:
    Hola Skip,

    Just wanted to share a few thoughts from Brian Boles and Papa Chuy Viejo regarding proposed ride to Real de Catorce and Huasteca in April of 2015.

    Do you think you would be able to put together a promotional blurb on this ride for my publication after the first of the year? When we went to Copper Canyon with MotoDiscovery I had 12 months lead time to promote the event.

    If I could give Members of FJR Forum, AZ Beemers and FJRiders 12 months lead time, this increases chances guys could save money for the Catorce trip.

    If memory serves me you required at least six participants to make the trip profitable, I believe I can generate at least ten riders from these three forums.

    Since this is so far out time wise, I do not expect you to come up with any final pricing in 2014. If you could give us a definite number a year from now that would be great, I'll just reinforce we'll get a great deal from MotoDiscovery!

    As BB and I previously mentioned, we definitely want a third night in Real.

    Santiago was also a great scenic overnight stop, we would like to do it again.

    We'd like to stay at Tamosopo in Huasteca Potosina, if you agree with this.

    Cascadas el Meco, El Puente de Dios and Cascada de Minas are “must-sees”!

    We know you'll put together a great Real de Catorce y Huasteca ride for us.

    Adios mi Amigo,

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    Yo quiero... Thanks, Beemerdons

    Thanks very much for the information on the 2015 ride. Your and Skip's ideas sound great. You and I had previously corresponded about our Motodiscovery trips to San Miguel de Allende a few years ago. Having them initiate the planning for a light dual sport ride sounds like the right way to go.

    I look forward to keeping in touch.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaellmcc View Post
    Thanks very much for the information on the 2015 ride. Your and Skip's ideas sound great. You and I had previously corresponded about our Motodiscovery trips to San Miguel de Allende a few years ago. Having them initiate the planning for a light dual sport ride sounds like the right way to go.
    I look forward to keeping in touch.
    Mike
    Mike, Skip and I are firming up a routing and dates for this Huasteca / Potosina / Real de Catorce Trek. One of the places we'll be staying at is Hacienda Santa Engracia. The trip will occur over nine days sometime between April 15 and April 30 of 2015. I will start a separate thread under Southwest at Thanksgiving.

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    Hi Don,

    We always have about six weeks of high intensity around here but it looks like we are seeing some "daylight" and I want to start putting together your Mexico ride for 2015.

    My thought is to not concentrate on high miles but to settle in at a couple of places to serve as hubs for exploration or simply to absorb all that is great about Mexico. With that in mind I suggest something that looks a little like this:

    Day 1. McAllen
    Day 2. Hacienda Santa Engracia
    Day 3. Tamasopo - here there are some loops and ride that can stay on pavement or we can mix it up.
    Day 4. Tamasopo - a full day to take in the waterfalls and other explorations, a run down to Jalpan, even Xilitla.
    Day 5. Real de Catorce - by the back way, hit the Colonial era Mescal distillery, etc.
    Day 6. Real de Catorce - ride horses, hike the hills, ride the trails
    Day 7. Real de Catorce - more of the same with some loop rides, exploring the old ghost towns.
    Day 8. Santiago
    Day 9 Exit at McAllen

    This is a pretty map friendly event in that there are optional routes. We can get to Santiago by way of some dirt or stick to the pavement depending on the profile of the group.

    We can extend the number of days but historically this will begin to eliminate those who still have time constraints and we can keep it at a reasonable price point. We'll go however you want. I do like the pace and the space this one has.
    Welcome you feedback amigo.

    Hope all is well in your world.

    Saludos,
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