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    2013 R1200RT....motor oil question...

    ok, when i do the 6k mile service i will be changing the FD and Gearbox with the approved Castrol BMW spec'd gear lube.....

    i know BMW Motorrad prefers Castrol synthetic motor oils for the motor, but would there be an issue with using Mobil 1 15w50 instead....on my recent 600 "running-in" service the paper work noted the special gear lube for the FD but only synthetic motor oil for the crankcase...and a BMW oil filter....

    thanks in advance for any and all help...

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    An oil thread. Hmmmm.
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    Hi Wyman:

    You can use any motor oil, synthetic or not, that meets the API service specification for the engine. I use 20W50 full synthetic in the engine, and 75W140 full synthetic gear lube in the transmission and final drive. For severe service, synthetic is preferred for a number of reasons.

    BTW: There is no "special" gear lube for the FD and transmission. Raise the BS flag on that one !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ka5ysy View Post
    Hi Wyman:

    You can use any motor oil, synthetic or not, that meets the API service specification for the engine. I use 20W50 full synthetic in the engine, and 75W140 full synthetic gear lube in the transmission and final drive. For severe service, synthetic is preferred for a number of reasons.

    BTW: There is no "special" gear lube for the FD and transmission. Raise the BS flag on that one !
    Wait a minute...It is "SPECIAL" due to the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ they charge for it!
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    i asked a specific question....looking for a specific answer...

    i know all about oil threads and the passion they bring.....

    please, simply answer the question....

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    Oh Wyman, don't get edgy with your sounding board. People tend to run from, make fun of or just ignore oil threads, as you must know, since you know oil threads. You have one legit answer already...and that's the problem with oil threads, specific or not....one person's legit answer is another person's reason to laugh. Hope you find the answer you're looking for.
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    Any oil that meets the specs outlined in your Rider's Manual is fine as far as BMW is concerned. The brand and specific forulation is somewhat irrelevant.

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    for hours of oil thread enjoyment:

    http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthre...t=oil+analysis

    This excellent article was done by our airhead moderator, at his expense and effort. Much appreciated. I really think BMW prefers to sell their own oil. Made by Spectro. Excellent stuff, really slippery. I like to do my own service and prefer the nice red BMW synthetic gear oil..You could see any metal in the FD when you drain it, which I prefer to do at every rear tire change. My own conclusion is that Castrol GTX car oil would be fine as well as Mobil 1 15/50 car oil since it also has plenty of zddp.

    However since my bike is still in warranty, and I like to support my local (100 miles away) dealer, I usually buy my oil and filters from them. That way you have records of purchases in the very remote chance you ever have a failure.

    You are a pretty new member right? Please don't be offended at a little playful sarcasm. The folks on this forum are extremely helpful. If your feelings are easily hurt, don't read anything from Ichris from New Mexico, never go on the Boxerworks forum or the ADV riders forum. (That was an example of playful sarcasm!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ka5ysy View Post
    BTW: There is no "special" gear lube for the FD and transmission. Raise the BS flag on that one !
    You're simply mistaken on this. Spec is Castrol SAF-XO for both. It's on the service DVD and it's all BMW now supplies its USA dealers. There is no equivalent sold down to NAPA or Pep Boys.

    OP can use his Mobil choice with no problem. FWIW BMW (motorcycles only) is the ONLY German vehicle sold in the USA that pays any attention at all to such mundane things as API. The rest all have published specs that define a limited number of motor oils, all synthetic.
    Last edited by lkchris; 07-16-2013 at 04:51 AM.
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    Cool OK, i give.....

    in the interest of the BMW warranty, and for its duration, i will purchase the "approved and recommended" lubricants and oil filter from BMW Motorcycles of Ventura County.....

    thanks for ALL of the advice and opinions....ALL worthy...

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    Wyman please go and get a bowl of that wonderful Andersons split pea soup and chill Mobil 1 is fine for the boxer engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpmarty View Post
    Wyman please go and get a bowl of that wonderful Andersons split pea soup and chill Mobil 1 is fine for the boxer engines.
    actually the Pea Soup Anderson's Split Pea Soup tastes like crap these days.....guess they lost the original recipe.....LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpmonk View Post
    http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthre...t=oil+analysis

    This excellent article was done by our airhead moderator, at his expense and effort. Much appreciated. I really think BMW prefers to sell their own oil. Made by Spectro. Excellent stuff, really slippery. I like to do my own service and prefer the nice red BMW synthetic gear oil..You could see any metal in the FD when you drain it, which I prefer to do at every rear tire change. My own conclusion is that Castrol GTX car oil would be fine as well as Mobil 1 15/50 car oil since it also has plenty of zddp.
    Actually - no longer. BMW switched their oil supplier to Castrol now from Spectro, and the bottles are labeled as such.

    This encouraged me to go a step further and do something I'd considered doing for a long time. I've switched over to Castrol TWS 10W-60 oil. It's a German made oil, a full Class-4 PAO synthetic, with amazingly good longevity and about the highest ZDDP number I've seen on any modern oil. It was formulated by BMW and Castrol for a series of their M-Car engines (one of which also lives in my garage) to try to protect some flawed bearings from going bad, and provide adequate protection to the valve train, which is a "flat-tappet" sort of design.

    I've had it tested numerous times by Blackstone for my M cars and the results have been excellent. Almost no sign of viscosity breakdown, excellent ash-point, and good TEN/TBN numbers even when used to the factory spec'd 15,000 miles in the M engine. It's good stuff, and my engine seems happier with it (totally subjective - but to me quieter/smoother-feeling is happier.) The engine also seems to be running about 1-bar cooler on the temperature gauge (first bar above the thermostat-opening bar, even in 100F temps like today.) I'll likely get it tested when I change it on the bike also to see how it's doing and if an extended change interval is possible.

    Cost is less then the Motorrad gets for their semi-synthetic (labeled synthetic) repackaged Castrol. With a BMW Car Club of America discount, I'm out of the BMW car dealer with it for around $12/liter. My friendly local dealer is charging ~$15/quart for the repackaged Castrol.

    Oh - TWS isn't at AutoZone. There may be some "EDGE" Castrol oil there, most of it isn't the same thing. The "EDGE 10W-60" is.. but none of the big box stores carry it. It's easier to get it by visiting a BMW car dealer (and you get lots of interesting stares when you ride up, and then walk through the showroom in a well worn Aerostich.. )

    However since my bike is still in warranty, and I like to support my local (100 miles away) dealer, I usually buy my oil and filters from them. That way you have records of purchases in the very remote chance you ever have a failure.
    Excellent idea.. I did the same even when my bike was under an extended warranty I'd purchased. Thing is - nothing really broke so I never had to prove adequate service. Better that then the alternative though..

    You are a pretty new member right? Please don't be offended at a little playful sarcasm. The folks on this forum are extremely helpful. If your feelings are easily hurt, don't read anything from Ichris from New Mexico, never go on the Boxerworks forum or the ADV riders forum. (That was an example of playful sarcasm!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyman.winn View Post
    actually the Pea Soup Anderson's Split Pea Soup tastes like crap these days.....guess they lost the original recipe.....LOL

    wyman
    WOW. What a disappointment back in the sixties and seventies Buellton was my favorite Sunday ride to get
    a bowl of soup and some rolls then a trip down to the wine cellar.
    back in the day a tureen of soup and a basket of rolls was a buck and it was all you could eat.
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