Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 26

Thread: 2013 R1200RT Shifting problems...

  1. #1
    Registered User wyman.winn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Solvang, CA
    Posts
    133

    2013 R1200RT Shifting problems...

    brand spankin new 2103 R1200RT....shifted perfectly until i took her in for her "running-in" service at 600+miles yesterday (170mile RT to dealer).....tech noticed on final test drive....looked at shifter linkages on high lift...no issues they say....

    up-shifts smoothly in all gears...down-shifts from 6-5 no issues, 5-4 ok, 4-3 sometimes like the shifter is locked, others smooth (intermittent), 3-2 same as 4-3, 2-1 same as 4-3 but occasionally harder to engage 1st...

    i know, tough to diagnose over a forum thread....just hoping it is something simple that may have happened to another RT...

    and as always, thanks in advance for any and all advice...

    wyman
    2013 R1200RT - Sassy - Fluid Grey Metallic
    2002 V-Strom DL1000 - sold
    2008 KLR650 - sold

  2. #2
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Midwest
    Posts
    1,188
    I'm confused...shifted okay according to you, till in for 600 mile service, then tech notices not shifting smoothly...and you now think the same. However, the tech, who says it is shifting rough, can't find the reason why? I'd suggest a different tech, one who has more than the knowledge to detect, but also correct.
    '14 R1200RT
    MOA #46783

  3. #3
    Registered User wyman.winn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Solvang, CA
    Posts
    133
    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    I'm confused...shifted okay according to you, till in for 600 mile service, then tech notices not shifting smoothly...and you now think the same. However, the tech, who says it is shifting rough, can't find the reason why? I'd suggest a different tech, one who has more than the knowledge to detect, but also correct.
    i am confused too.....and they say they didn't touch the tranny.....when i shift the tranny by hand (engine off, rotatiing wheel by hand) it shift easily and smoothly....i guess i need to set it up on the track stand and try to shift it with the motor running....

    wyman
    2013 R1200RT - Sassy - Fluid Grey Metallic
    2002 V-Strom DL1000 - sold
    2008 KLR650 - sold

  4. #4
    Registered User lkraus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Central Ohio
    Posts
    352
    This post may be worth checking out...
    Larry
    2006 R1200RT

  5. #5
    Registered User wyman.winn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Solvang, CA
    Posts
    133
    Quote Originally Posted by lkraus View Post
    This post may be worth checking out...

    ??????????
    2013 R1200RT - Sassy - Fluid Grey Metallic
    2002 V-Strom DL1000 - sold
    2008 KLR650 - sold

  6. #6
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Midwest
    Posts
    1,188
    Quote Originally Posted by wyman.winn View Post
    ??????????
    Click on THIS POST and you get this, with pictures:

    Does your GS-W Shift Roughly?
    For anyone with rough shifting...

    With just over 2500 miles on the bike, the only thing that I found troubling was intermittent rough shifting. It did not seem to follow a pattern that I could detect, but it seemed to be worst when going from 2nd to 3rd. I was thinking it was getting slightly better as the miles piled on, but I was still trying to figure out if it was really the bike needing to be shifted a certain way that I was not doing, or if it was me, or both.

    Earlier today in the UK forum, Magnon, who I shall now consider to be a prince among men, and whose shifting was similar to mine in its poor "quality" posted that he had discovered that his clutch master cylinder was grossly overfilled. He removed some fluid to bring the level down to where it should be, and now his bike shifts nicely.

    So... I had to go check mine. And here is what I found. No sooner did I get the bolts holding the master cylinder lid loose (T-20, BTW) but fluid started flowing out!



    Put a towel down, as there is quite a lot extra!



    I couldn't find my little squeeze-bulb thingie, so I just used a couple of paper towels to soak up fluid and pull it out of the master cylinder until the level was about half way up the inside.

    After buttoning it back up and cleaning off the bike where a few drips managed to go, I took it for a little test ride. I only rode a few miles on small backroads, but there was no traffic, so I was starting and stopping and running up and down through the gears constantly, using different rpm shift points, varying rates of acceleration, varying speed of moving the shift lever, and stayed out long enough so the bike was up to running temp. My opinion is:

    SHIFTING PROBLEM SOLVED!

    The bike now shifts as I would expect it to.
    '14 R1200RT
    MOA #46783

  7. #7
    Registered User wyman.winn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Solvang, CA
    Posts
    133
    sounds plausible.....will check tomorrow....

    btw....the problem seemed to rear its ugly head AFTER a 85m long HOT run to the dealership and on the way home, being even hotter temps....

    thanks for the tip...

    wyman
    2013 R1200RT - Sassy - Fluid Grey Metallic
    2002 V-Strom DL1000 - sold
    2008 KLR650 - sold

  8. #8
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Midwest
    Posts
    1,188
    Perhaps the "hot" weather and ride made the mineral oil expand more, thus creating the situation as outlined? Hope a slight fluid extraction does the trick.
    '14 R1200RT
    MOA #46783

  9. #9
    Cam Killer marchyman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    Posts
    3,409
    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    Click on THIS POST and you get this, with pictures:

    Does your GS-W Shift Roughly?
    For anyone with rough shifting...
    A 2013 R1200RT is not the same as a 2013 R1200GS.... different engine, transmission, dry vs wet clutch, etc. OK, both use a hydraulic clutch so that might be something.

  10. #10
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Northern New Jersey
    Posts
    645
    Every RT I've owned (3 or 4) and my R1200C has shown intermittent "problem" downshifting to 1st. Rarely, also downshifting into 2nd. Never a problem upshifting. Are you certain you're not overthinking it, being overly sensitive since the 600 mile service looking and for a problem ?

  11. #11
    Registered User wyman.winn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Solvang, CA
    Posts
    133
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicVW View Post
    Every RT I've owned (3 or 4) and my R1200C has shown intermittent "problem" downshifting to 1st. Rarely, also downshifting into 2nd. Never a problem upshifting. Are you certain you're not overthinking it, being overly sensitive since the 600 mile service looking and for a problem ?
    thanks for the reply.....no, not "overly sensitive"....the bike shifted perfectly up and down before the service....intermittently hard down shifts after from the higher gears....so much so that on one of the down shifts if felt like it would NOT downshift at all....

    no, i am NOT looking for a problem, only trying to solve one....

    wyman
    2013 R1200RT - Sassy - Fluid Grey Metallic
    2002 V-Strom DL1000 - sold
    2008 KLR650 - sold

  12. #12
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Northern New Jersey
    Posts
    645
    Not saying you are, but you can't baby it with these transmissions, they are inherently clunky.
    I don't think there's enough miles on the bike to say the problem is there to stay. These bikes aren't broken in until 15K or so.

  13. #13
    Registered User wyman.winn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Solvang, CA
    Posts
    133
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicVW View Post
    Not saying you are, but you can't baby it with these transmissions, they are inherently clunky.
    I don't think there's enough miles on the bike to say the problem is there to stay. These bikes aren't broken in until 15K or so.
    ok...i understand "clunky"....guess it is me....

    will let this gearbox "break-in"......

    puzzled as to why it takes 15k miles to "break-in" a gearbox or motor.......for the $$$ the drivetrain should be flawless out of the shipping box.....

    wyman
    2013 R1200RT - Sassy - Fluid Grey Metallic
    2002 V-Strom DL1000 - sold
    2008 KLR650 - sold

  14. #14
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Northern New Jersey
    Posts
    645
    I agree with you sir!

  15. #15
    Registered User ajaxthegreater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Highlands Ranch, CO
    Posts
    59

    Great advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    Click on THIS POST and you get this, with pictures:

    Does your GS-W Shift Roughly?
    For anyone with rough shifting...

    With just over 2500 miles on the bike, the only thing that I found troubling was intermittent rough shifting. It did not seem to follow a pattern that I could detect, but it seemed to be worst when going from 2nd to 3rd. I was thinking it was getting slightly better as the miles piled on, but I was still trying to figure out if it was really the bike needing to be shifted a certain way that I was not doing, or if it was me, or both.

    Earlier today in the UK forum, Magnon, who I shall now consider to be a prince among men, and whose shifting was similar to mine in its poor "quality" posted that he had discovered that his clutch master cylinder was grossly overfilled. He removed some fluid to bring the level down to where it should be, and now his bike shifts nicely.

    So... I had to go check mine. And here is what I found. No sooner did I get the bolts holding the master cylinder lid loose (T-20, BTW) but fluid started flowing out!
    Great advice Motodan. I opened my clutch lid and took out enough oil to get it to the MAX level, which it was above. Seems to shift better now, which may be my imagination but hey I am good with that. I would not have thought of that, so THANKS!
    Bill in Highlands Ranch, CO
    2012 R1200RT and some other older junk

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •