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    aka Papa Yams jyambrovich's Avatar
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    Angry 2000 R1100RT; Input splines AGAIN!! Done with this bike

    I have a 2000 R1100RT that I've owned since June of 2006. In November 2009, the input shaft splines on the transmission stripped out. I went ahead and had the $3000 job done by a VERY WELL KNOWN AND REPUTABLE INDEPENDENT shop. Mileage when I got the bike back in December 2009 was ~59,600.

    Fast forward to Thursday (4th of July, 2013). Bike has 88K miles and I am trying to sell it. (Variety of reasons but I'm selling it). I am going to ride the bike to a spot about 1.5 miles from our home to display it with a for sale sign. Three blocks from the house, I take off from a stoplight. 1st gear, start to accelerate and ZZZZZZZ!! Loud racket, immediately lose power to rear wheel. I think to myself, "There is NO WAY that this could happen to me / this bike again, IS THERE????"

    Went to the repair shop today (about 4 miles from our home) and had one of the service writers come back to the house with me. Checked it out and confirmed my fear - INPUT SPLINES ARE STRIPPED AGAIN!! 3.5 years later, not even 30,000 miles. DAMN!!

    I am certainly glad for one thing - I'm glad that this didn't happen to someone a short time after I'd sold them the bike. They would have figured me to have known there was a problem and was just a crook trying to unload the problem on someone else. That is NOT the person I am. I would have returned the money.

    So, any suggestions from the gathered brain trust? I am not going to spend another $3000-ish to turn around and sell the bike for $4500-5000.
    JAY
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    IBA #44567 Ken F's Avatar
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    If you have the time to mess with it, you could part it out on Ebay, and the MOA.
    It will probably be a rather slow process doing it that way.

    Another thought might be looking on Ebay for another used transmission.
    I'm sure you can buy one for WAY less than the $3000
    I've seen them for 2-250 for an R1100

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    If you are interested in getting rid of it as is, perhaps there is a deal to be made? Get it out of the USA? I'm always looking for a project and I have lots of time and patience for something like this. It seems all I do lately is save good bikes.......
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    What exactly was replaced the first time?
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    Next step??

    Ken F. - I think that I may end up parting it out. A fair assortment of new or lightly used stuff including Wilbers shocks, a rebuilt ABS pump (with more than 4 years left on transferable warranty), good rims and tires, new Spiegler brake lines, new starter, tires with around 2K miles, BMW hard cases (top case, 2 side cases with CityLids and one right side one with a TouringLid) ... The main issue is that the bike needs to be SO TAKEN APART to replace the transmission that it's more than I am willing to attempt myself.

    Dieselyoda - I would love to just be able to ship it off but I don't think that I can get the kind of $$ for it that I can if I sell it as parts.

    Anton - If you are curious, I can send you a scanned copy of the Repair Order by email. For some reason I couldn't copy and paste into this message and I don't really want to post the whole thing for the rest of the world to see. In essence they replaced the entire clutch assembly, the input shaft, new bearings and seals, etc. I believe that they did a good job and I'm not complaining about the work that was done.
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    Jay,
    Not trying to talk you into doing it yourself, but in all honesty, It's not all that hard to do. I just did a rebuild on my R11RS transmission and was very surprised by how straightforward it was.
    Typical Teutonic logic! These were built to be worked on.

    I will admit I was a little intimidated before beginning (with the same feelings you expressed), but once you get into it you will have an Ah-hah moment
    (about the time you get all the tupperware off) and see that it's not that big of a deal. After disconnecting a few wires & the brake line you remove 4 of the 6 bolts
    that hold the rear subframe in place, and pivot it upwards. There is your transmission in full view.

    There are some great threads on here and elsewhere about removing the transmission and replacing the clutch if you want to familiarize yourself.

    If I could be of long-distance support, feel free to message me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jyambrovich View Post
    Anton - If you are curious, I can send you a scanned copy of the Repair Order by email. For some reason I couldn't copy and paste into this message and I don't really want to post the whole thing for the rest of the world to see. In essence they replaced the entire clutch assembly, the input shaft, new bearings and seals, etc. I believe that they did a good job and I'm not complaining about the work that was done.
    If they replaced the clutch housing along with the rest of the clutch, then there's really not much more that can be done. I always replace the housing but I don't know that there's any kind of guarantee as far as making sure the problem never comes back. Still, it's very rare on an 1100 and for it to happen again after everything is replaced is really strange.

    I think there is some rider habit stuff involved. Paul Mihalka had spline failures on all kinds of bikes and he was a big advocate of engine braking. Sure, he rode over a million miles but when you look at the number of bikes on which he did those miles, and then look at the spline failures, its very odd. Airhead, K-bike, R1100 (I think), R1150 (times two?) R1200 (times two?). If a failure every 100k miles were typical for BMWs, the numbers we see would be very different.
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