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    Quote Originally Posted by so_tx_rider View Post
    the independent shop who changed out the tire stated BMW uses a cheap front tire since it wore out after 8000 miles.
    You should reconsider using this shop if they really believe that statement.

    8000 miles is not a horribly low mileage for a front tire on an RT. Did your tire have cupping? That is a common problem on the R1200's. I have been running 39-40 PSI in my front tire for the past three tires and the cupping has ceased.
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    I want to thank you all for your input.

    Let me add that I don't do long rides. I ride my bike to work and to cruise around my area, no more than a 50 mile perimeter from where I live.

    Regarding the tire lasting 8,000 miles, I used to ride a Honda Shadow and it had 17,000 miles when I sold it without ever having to change a tire. So, for me it seemed like the RT tire was a cheap tire as they stated. Maybe the fact that it is a sport tire they last only 8,000 miles. I don't know.

    The front tire had to be changed since it didn't pass inspection. They put a tire thread depth gauge and it showed in the red zone. I had to replace it at 8,000 miles.

    Also, the tire does leak air. I didn't realize it had a screw at first. The warning light flashed yellow and the tire warning symbol appeared as I rode to work. It was a five mile ride and was not going to have time to put air in it, so I waited until I got out of work to inflate the tire at a nearby shop.

    Once home, I parked my bike and didn't ride it for two weeks when I decided to take it for a cruise. As I began riding the warning light came on but was now red and the tire warning symbol again appeared. This is when I realized there was a problem. I stopped at a nearby store and looked at the tire closely. This is when I saw the screw.

    Since I don't ride long distances and never had to change a tire I decided to ask on this forum if what the shops were telling me was correct: that it is best if you replace the tire.

    So, I'm to understand that a bike tire is not like a car tire, and the best practice is it should be replaced instead of patched or plugged?

    Finally, in Texas you are not allowed to plug a tire, it must be patched or the tire must be replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kioolt View Post
    I would plug it and watch it for a few days. After that I would just check the air in it at the regular interval. I've never had a plugged tire fail on me. I'm to cheap to replace a tire with that much tread left. I know this post is going to get a lot of comments about safety and peace of mind. If it bothers you then replace the tire. I would not try to repair a tire with a sidewall failure.
    I agree to plug it and watch the pressure. I have plugged a half dozen or so on motorcycles and many more on cars without any problem at all. However, I recently plugged the rear tire on my Burgman 400 scooter with less than great results. It had a tiny wire in it and I did my normal plugging procedure. It had a slow leak around the plug so I replaced it again with another one like the first. It also leaked after a few days and I went and bought another "better" plug. It also started leaking after a couple of days and I ordered a new tire (the tire I was plugging was very recent). I put one last plug in it to make it until the new tire arrived. I think the hole just happened to be against the belt and the belt kept cutting the plug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveAikens View Post
    I think you made the correct decision to replace the tire. This is one of those that everyone has an opinion on. Some repair, some replace.

    For me, I plug tires only to get to a shop to replace them. It's my life that is at risk if the patch/plug/repair fails. To me, that's the end of the story.

    To answer the oft asked question again, yes, I have seen the result of a crash - first hand - of a "repaired" tire failure. The rider was only slightly scuffed up becasue he was wearing the proper gear, but unfortunately, his motorcycle was laid up for three weeks getting repaired.

    Not worth the risk - always replace IMO....
    I think in an effort to help others you have people make recommendations they themselves believe in. They have performed a repair or put off maintenance successfully therefore they feel they can make valuable suggestions to others. And, most of the time they're correct. The real problem lies in the fact that their experience universe is too small and they don't fully understand the repercussions that may be involved.

    Plugging and/or patching tires can work. However, in the real world you do have instances where that plug or patch lets go. In the case of a motorcycle people will frequently fall when their tire looses air. So just because a given individual gets away with the repair a number of times in his/her life they feel it is OK to recommend to others as a long term fix. When a repair involves a potential safety issue people should not be telling others how their form of repair worked for them. Emergencies are one thing and long term repairs are another.

    I know for fact plugs and/or patches can work. But it would be irresponsible on my part to recommend that as a long term fix because I also get to see the failures of that decision every once on awhile. I have no interest in putting someone in harms way. This goes back to my often stated internet reporter issue. If you're going to give advice on the internet don't give advice that has the potential to harm others despite your own record. In all likelihood you will get away safely with that form of repair. But what if you don't? What if you do crash? As Steve has stated it is not worth the risk. If that tire purchase hurts your financials that much you probably should be looking for another form of entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy walker View Post
    Replace the tire. Although unlikely plugs and internal patches can work loose. The vast majority of motorcycle facilities are not willing to assume the risk due to potentially being sued in the event of a crash.
    Plugs are to get you home while touring.

    Replace the tire - you life is riding on two very small patches of rubber - no time to get cheap!
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    I go back to my experience repairing car tires (admittedly, about 30 years ago) - a plug is usually a good **temporary** fix, long enough to get you to a permanent solution. IMO a patch is a pretty good long term fix for small holes, but highly dependent on good surface prep and the location, so it may not really be long term. Think about the physics - a plug is trying to keep air from leaking around it while the tire continuously flexes; a patch is actually blocking the hole, but the adhesive is subject to continuous flexing; an intact tire is, well, fully intact. Compound that with the high level of dependency your safety puts on two little tires (exponentially higher than a car). Finally: a large part of the cost of a new tire is R&R, which you are also paying for with a patch anyway, QED you are generally better off just getting a new tire as soon as you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy walker View Post
    Found this answer in another thread entitled "First Tour in Five Years" a few threads below yours:

    http://www.tirerepairkit.com/default.htm
    Does anyone have one of these? I carry a gummy worm type repair kit and a small 12v compressor. But this kit appears to be a step up from the gummy worms. I'
    m just looking for an the road type of repair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadRdr View Post
    Does anyone have one of these? I carry a gummy worm type repair kit and a small 12v compressor. But this kit appears to be a step up from the gummy worms. I'
    m just looking for an the road type of repair.
    I do have one of these kits, bought last year before a 9000 km trip. But, never had to use it.

    I believe it was first recommended in a post on this forum and I found it of interest so I ordered one.
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    A Followup

    Decided I was not taking a chance on a tire with a patch.
    Bought another Pilot tire and had it replaced this morning. The muffler had to be removed.
    The only regret I have is not buying the original Bridgestone tires. Dunlop is another good brand.
    Since I already had bought a Pilot for the front last month I didn't want to mix tire brands.
    Pilot seems to be more of a Speed Bike tire.
    Now to do some riding.
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    Better safe than sorry I guess. But, that said, I have always plugged punctures with complete success. The only flat tire I've had was a brand new Pirelli mounted and balanced by dealer on rear of GT750. Going around a curve it felt like I'd run onto a slick of oil as the back end washed out. Brought it back up straight and rode off the highway into a sandy berm where I discovered the tire was off the rim completely on one side. Dealer error? I don't know I've never had another Pirelli tire.
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    plugs illeagal in Texas?

    I'm glad I haven't been stopped by the Texas State Tire Plug Police, probably known as the TSTPP. My old pickup truck tires are mostly made up of plugs; the plugs are the only things that don't leak on them.

    If I had a pretty new mc tire, I would probably plug it and ride on it. I've had good luck on plugs in truck tires over the years and the plugs technology is even better now. I have to say that I have had only one flat on a mc tire in 40 years and that was a blow out at speed on a fairly new tire with no plugs. So, I have no experience with plugging mc tires, none. I do have a kit though that I used to open carry, but will hide it from now on.

    But, I would plug it; that's what I would do, though I'm not suggesting that is what you should do. You should do whatever you feel is safest and of course. changing the tire should be the safest thing to do. That way, you won't get busted when you are stopped at a TSTPP check point.

    Ride safe and enjoy the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22600 View Post
    I'm glad I haven't been stopped by the Texas State Tire Plug Police, probably known as the TSTPP. My old pickup truck tires are mostly made up of plugs; the plugs are the only things that don't leak on them.

    If I had a pretty new mc tire, I would probably plug it and ride on it. I've had good luck on plugs in truck tires over the years and the plugs technology is even better now. I have to say that I have had only one flat on a mc tire in 40 years and that was a blow out at speed on a fairly new tire with no plugs. So, I have no experience with plugging mc tires, none. I do have a kit though that I used to open carry, but will hide it from now on.

    But, I would plug it; that's what I would do, though I'm not suggesting that is what you should do. You should do whatever you feel is safest and of course. changing the tire should be the safest thing to do. That way, you won't get busted when you are stopped at a TSTPP check point.

    Ride safe and enjoy the forum.

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