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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    Have you ridden a C14 or Victory?
    There really is no need to ride anything other than a BMW. Read the Michigan test as well as previous CHP tests and it could be fairly stated a police department would be foolish to buy anything but a BMW. In addition, a department that purchases something other than BMW has a clear disregard for officer safety. These municipalities and/or counties and/or states are foolish in this area. There is absolutely zero within any of those tests that would lead anyone to believe something other than a BMW would be a better choice. A very sad situation given police officer lives are at stake.

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    Interestingly, Branson, MO PD just placed 2 Can Am Spyders into service. Considering the slow moving bumper to bumper traffic they have to deal with, that would seem like a good choice. That being said, I think most highway patrols would be best served by BMW RTPs and their high speed pursuit capabilities. Clutches shouldn't be a problem on the open road! Save the Harleys for official parade duties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rguy View Post
    Interestingly, Branson, MO PD just placed 2 Can Am Spyders into service. Considering the slow moving bumper to bumper traffic they have to deal with, that would seem like a good choice. That being said, I think most highway patrols would be best served by BMW RTPs and their high speed pursuit capabilities. Clutches shouldn't be a problem on the open road! Save the Harleys for official parade duties.
    Taxpayers have to pay for those Harley's. I say buy real equipment which leaves H-D out of the picture. Why waste money for a parade? I cannot imagine any politician who knows anything about a motorcycle wanting to put officers on H-D. One ride say's it all. Literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rguy View Post
    Interestingly, Branson, MO PD just placed 2 Can Am Spyders into service. Considering the slow moving bumper to bumper traffic they have to deal with, that would seem like a good choice. That being said, I think most highway patrols would be best served by BMW RTPs and their high speed pursuit capabilities. Clutches shouldn't be a problem on the open road! Save the Harleys for official parade duties.
    Aren't the Spyders 3-wheelers? It's quite the opposite. If you're stuck in traffic the last thing you want is something approaching the width of a car. 2-wheelers on the other hand give you far more ability to move out of the traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    Have you ridden a C14 or Victory?
    No, I heard the c14 is having electrical problems with emergency equipment. Heard KAW will void warranty if you attempt to make it into a cop motorcycle. Victory I heard will not go into the cone course. I rode the Honda. For police work the Honda's bags flap open and dump items out, too hot in the thigh area, small truck, and to adjust the seat you have to take the motorcycle apart. For police work from the factory it's either HD or BMW. HD supports law enforcement and at this school I just taught was able to hop on a $25K and ride. They want to sell so I see why the administration likes HD. I rode the fairing motorcycle on the highway, the wind protection is poor. Love my BMWs.
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    The NC Highway patrol uses the RTP

    https://www.google.com/search?q=NCHP...21%3B500%3B375
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    What we really need is a K1600GT-P. That would be a machine
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    FWIW: BMW's participation in this segment of the US market has always seemed a matter of logistics and support rather than the motorcycle. Where they have dealer presence and interest at that level combined with their own resources they have a presence. The wethead is a wildcard in the logistics and support strategy. As the new model rolls out into the BMW system perhaps BMW and its dealer network will become more active in the segment.

    The US involvement in this segment has always comes off as a major contradiction to the fact they remain main the largest supplier of police motorcycles world wide. On that stage they face challenges from a variety of contenders. On their home turf Berlin changed to Moto Guzzi in 2008 when Piaggio supplied 35 Norges to the force to try and crack the police market with the then new model.

    Some police motorcycle information I found while digging on the web.

    Harely-Davidson Police-Fire-Rescue Division

    Victory Police Motorcycles

    Honda ST1300PA Police Motorcycle

    policemag.com: Kawasaki shelves Concourse 14P motorcycle

    http://www.policeone.com/manufacture...e-Motorcycles/

    http://www.bmwmc.net/Gallery/Gallery.aspx

    http://www.bmw-motorrad-authorities..../en/index.html

    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/...lice_move.html

    http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/spe...licebikes.html

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ms...s_182665_7.pdf

    As fun as the debate about which is better - wet v dry clutch, BMW v all the rest, I am far more curious about what is the future role of motorcycles in the authority market in general. Is it a RTP type motorcycle? BMW has been selling police versions of the F 650 and F 800 GS. What about electrics? Zero is pushing a police version and a military version of their bike. BMW had good police reception to the C1, will their new scooters be part of the authority market segment plan?

    If you were king of the BMW Motorrad Authority segment what would you be developing for the world market and to expand the presence in the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ka5ysy View Post
    What we really need is a K1600GT-P. That would be a machine
    The Dutch Highway Patrol do:

    k1600gtphsc3hd2.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by mika View Post
    FWIW: BMW's participation in this segment of the US market has always seemed a matter of logistics and support rather than the motorcycle. Where they have dealer presence and interest at that level combined with their own resources they have a presence. The wethead is a wildcard in the logistics and support strategy. As the new model rolls out into the BMW system perhaps BMW and its dealer network will become more active in the segment.

    The US involvement in this segment has always comes off as a major contradiction to the fact they remain main the largest supplier of police motorcycles world wide. On that stage they face challenges from a variety of contenders. On their home turf Berlin changed to Moto Guzzi in 2008 when Piaggio supplied 35 Norges to the force to try and crack the police market with the then new model.

    Some police motorcycle information I found while digging on the web.

    Harely-Davidson Police-Fire-Rescue Division

    Victory Police Motorcycles

    Honda ST1300PA Police Motorcycle

    policemag.com: Kawasaki shelves Concourse 14P motorcycle

    http://www.policeone.com/manufacture...e-Motorcycles/

    http://www.bmwmc.net/Gallery/Gallery.aspx

    http://www.bmw-motorrad-authorities..../en/index.html

    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/...lice_move.html

    http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/spe...licebikes.html

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ms...s_182665_7.pdf

    As fun as the debate about which is better - wet v dry clutch, BMW v all the rest, I am far more curious about what is the future role of motorcycles in the authority market in general. Is it a RTP type motorcycle? BMW has been selling police versions of the F 650 and F 800 GS. What about electrics? Zero is pushing a police version and a military version of their bike. BMW had good police reception to the C1, will their new scooters be part of the authority market segment plan?

    If you were king of the BMW Motorrad Authority segment what would you be developing for the world market and to expand the presence in the US?
    If I were king I would focus on the current market and make the little guys happy. Show up at training, motor schools, and then rodeo's. But then who am I, just dreaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy walker View Post
    Aren't the Spyders 3-wheelers? It's quite the opposite. If you're stuck in traffic the last thing you want is something approaching the width of a car. 2-wheelers on the other hand give you far more ability to move out of the traffic.
    Have you ever been to Branson? Yikes...what a nightmare. There is not a level street in the city. Im talking hills so steep they are difficult to walk up! And off cambered drives and corners and parking lots. A total nightmare for a two wheeled slow moving vehicle.

    Branson is a tourist town, pure and simple. The powers that be wanted the motor officerrs for public image, you know, approachable and open to the public, but two wheeled cycles would be very difficult in this town, hence the Spyder. I think it is perfect for Branson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    The Dutch Highway Patrol do:
    Thanks for that Ponch... that is a great looking police motor
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    Quote Originally Posted by ka5ysy View Post
    Thanks for that Ponch... that is a great looking police motor
    I think so too. I can't afford one right now. Some day.
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    Just so no one gets the wrong idea and calls BMW to order one, those K1600 police bikes are outfitted by a 3rd party and are not supplied that way by BMW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicVW View Post
    Just so no one gets the wrong idea and calls BMW to order one, those K1600 police bikes are outfitted by a 3rd party and are not supplied that way by BMW.
    RTP's are already done by dealers as opposed to by BMW now.

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