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    FYI, changing the shocks on my 2004 1150Rs today. Going with Hypershocks. Will let you know how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pffog View Post
    Well gauging shock health is like watching yourself get older. You see yourself every day, the aches and pains, weight, flexibility, stamina, grey hair, etc creep up slowly, and most 50 year olds, will say they still feel 30, but if you could reset to 30, HOLY CRAP, you would notice the difference.
    Couldn't have been said better! I replaced my stock shocks with Ohlins around 20,000 miles. Not because I thought my stock shocks were bad, but because I wanted a pair of Ohlins. WOW! The difference in the ride was incredible; however, I believe I would have made the same comment had I put a new pair of OEM shocks on my bike.
    I selected Ohlins because of all the better aftermarket shocks, they are the only ones that have rebuilders seemingly everywhere, including a factory shop in NC. As mentioned in an earlier post my intention is the replace my Ohlins with the stock shocks when I sell my GS and sell the Ohlins separately.
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    [QUOTE
    At 30,000 miles or more the stock shocks are most CERTAINLY crapped out and worthless other than being springs to support the weight of the bike.[/QUOTE]

    This debate just doesn't seem to get resolved. I'm still questioning how BMW puts such cheap shocks on say, the K1600, a $25,000+ bike, claims it is the best touring bike in the world, and after a mere 30,000 miles, which for a lot of people is about two years riding, you have to go out and replace them with a $1700 aftermarket set. Isn't the bike still under warranty at 30,000 miles? If that is the case, wouldn't BMW be on an endless treadmill of replacing shocks constantly on their bikes? And wouldn't they, after a few years of steady money drain, just go get a set of Ohlins in to the factory, take them apart, and say, " Well now, I guess this is how you make a really GOOD shock. Call down to engineering. We need to re-tool!"

    I only see Harley Davidsons on the road, hundreds of them. Of course judging from Craig's list ads they don't seem to travel very far. But I'm guessing that under all that shiny chrome, they are all running the stock, original shocks their whole lives.

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    On my 2008 GSA the rear shock has leaked all over the swing arm at 21,000 miles. Shocks are not covered by warranty. Told they are not rebuildable either. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkjohn View Post
    Told they are not rebuildable either. Go figure.
    As with many things, it depends on who you ask. These guys may be able to help. http://www.acceltechracing.com/services.htm

    (Sorry if I sound like a shill for these guys but I am really impressed with their work)

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    [QUOTEOn my 2008 GSA the rear shock has leaked all over the swing arm at 21,000 miles. Shocks are not covered by warranty. [/QUOTE]

    Wow. I'd be a little miffed I'd paid $20,000 for that bike in 2008, ridden 21,000 miles, had the rear shock start leaking all over, and then been told by BMW, "Sorry, we warrant everything on that bike but the tires, and those cheap shocks we put on the bikes. And yes, if you want some that will last more miles, you need to buy aftermarket shocks. The replacement OEMs will be just as short lived." I would think the owner of that dealership might be getting an earful.

    I wonder if they are putting the same junk shocks on those $80,000 cars they sell? That's gotta hurt.

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    OK, some education on shocks:
    ANY brand name bike will come from the factory with the LEAST expensive and lowest specification shocks the manufacturer can put on it. With the exception of a few brands and models that come with Ohlins (and the extra $$$$) to get them on the bike, no manufacturer is going to spend ANY more on shocks than they have to. Reasons:
    1. Most people don't ever ride their bikes enough to wear out the shocks. How many bikes have we all seen ten years old and more, with only 20,000 miles and less on them. Why spend more $$$$ for shocks built to last more than the first few years of a bike's active life ?
    2. Most people trade off or sell their bike WELL before it ever gets 20,000+ miles on it. So why put extra $$$$ into the stock bike?
    3. Of the fewer people who DO put miles on their bikes and keep them long term, THOSE are the people spending $$$$ on shocks.
    4. Quality shocks are MUCH more profitable on the aftermarket than on the OEM bike. How many people would buy a specific bike because it has top quality shocks?
    5. It is FAR less expensive to spec shocks with heavier than needed springs and minimal damping control. It costs more to build shocks with softer springs and HIGH quality damping controls and adjustablitity.
    6. Most all bike manufactuers figure bike owners know VERY little about proper suspension setup, so why spend the $$$$, when chrome and fancy paint and features make more sales than expensive shocks.

    Bike manufacturers only spend as much on shocks as to get favorable ride reviews in the magazines. BMW included.
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    Just returned from EPM Performance in Manalapan NJ. Rode 65 miles on new Hyperpro shocks. Initial feeling well worth the change. Old shocks had 31k and did not rebound when compressed. Going to Vt. this weekend hope to have a more concise opinion on shocks. Had the shocks installed at EPM. Very professional and fair with pricing. And they do rebuilds there.

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    I just but Hagons on my 04 RT at 72,000miles. 3000 on the them and they are fine. On my 1994 1100RS I put Olins on at 70,000 miles and the rear one failed after 200 miles then they tried to tell me I installed them wrong, I did not..after several call they did a rebuild but I lost some prime riding weather. Properly will not use them again.
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    Oh, and in the past there were no shops able or willing to take apart factory stock shocks, rebuild them, modify them, tune them to a rider's specific needs. Now in the past five years it is becoming more common for specialty shops to modify previously "unserviceable" shocks. Given that, I'd consider going that route.

    IF the shocks can be made serviceable, tuneable, and rebuildable, for less than half the cost of just buying the aftermarket shocks, I'd certainly consider going that route. One thing I know for sure, the feel and capability I gained on my 94 RS with Wilbers shocks, at 120,000 miles on the bike, sold me for good that spending money on quality suspension is worth every penny. I will no longer have stock crap shocks on my daily rides.

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    Most cars have shocks that last between 30 and 50 k miles most of us just get used to the rocking and pogoing. Even the bikes that come with Yamaha I mean Ohlins shocks are off the shelf can be rebuilt but are lower quality than you get from a suspension shop. Not set up for your weight and riding style and plastic adjuster knobs with weak internals.That's including the Duc and BMW's that you pay way extra for.
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    Most quality shocks recommend rebuilding every 30,000 miles too. So it's not just stock shocks that wear out at 30k.

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    I don't think its entirely an apples to apples comparison when you say car shocks last 30 to 50k, because a car has longer wheelbase, the loads are shared (to a degree) over a more broad area, you have the natural frequency of the car frame/body damping out some of the road shock, car seats support both the butt and the back. Plus, car shocks are just shocks, because the suspension actually carries the load independent of the shocks in a car. However, 30 to 50k for car shocks is comparable to 30k for cycle shocks for life. Just that in a car when the shocks crap out we don't feel it quite as much.

    So in that I'm saying the cycle shocks have a lot more to do, to make our bikes ride as good as possible. Plus a cycle rider relies on a LOT more road and suspension feedback for control than does a car driver. Again, the shocks are doing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jconway607 View Post
    [QUOTEOn my 2008 GSA the rear shock has leaked all over the swing arm at 21,000 miles. Shocks are not covered by warranty.
    Wow. I'd be a little miffed I'd paid $20,000 for that bike in 2008, ridden 21,000 miles, had the rear shock start leaking all over, and then been told by BMW, "Sorry, we warrant everything on that bike but the tires, and those cheap shocks we put on the bikes. And yes, if you want some that will last more miles, you need to buy aftermarket shocks. The replacement OEMs will be just as short lived." I would think the owner of that dealership might be getting an earful.

    I wonder if they are putting the same junk shocks on those $80,000 cars they sell? That's gotta hurt.[/QUOTE]

    If you read the warranty, and the extended warranty that I paid over 1,000 for, they don't seem to cover any part that moves. I should have saved my money for shocks instead of buying extended warranty!
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    I can't quite understand why you think OEM shocks that last 30K are junk??? As mentioned Ohlins and other top brands recommend rebuilding at 18-25K miles, so the cheap OEM, actually last as long as the aftermarket. Yes there are people that will service them, but you still have a spring that is wrong, unless you fit the target the engineers set the spring for, lack of adjustability and inferior valving.

    What make the aftermarket worth the $$ is that they are, or can be, set to YOUR riding style, can be correctly sprung for your normal load (solo or 2 up, luggage load etc), have adjustable damping, some BOTH compression and rebound, generally have superior valving and internal components, and CAN be easily serviced!

    And the BIG plus, is a OEM shock with 30K on it is worthless, unless you want a paper weight, a set of 8 year old Ohlins is worth a minimum of 50% of heir original price, or is recently serviced up to 80%.

    I am putting my '04 Boxer Cup back to stock to sell it, I sold the newly serviced shocks for $1000, paid $1200 9 years ago, had them serviced twice for $200, I sold the OEM sport suspension with 3k on them for about $350 in memory serves me correctly. so it cost me less than $10/year for far superior ride and handling. I call that a REAL bargain!

    Bottom line is EVERYONE I know that put premium suspension on their bikes say it was the BEST $$$ they ever spent on their bike, and it is the first thing they buy for a new bike from that point on, including me.
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