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    Quote Originally Posted by billy walker View Post
    If two of us have passed comments you may want to re-think about how you come across. You certainly don't have to if you choose not to. No big deal. I imagine we'll get over it.
    Yes, Billy, I think we have participated in other threads. And at a certain point, I have stopped discussing.
    I used to be much like you on forums for quite some time. I used to think I had to drive my point home and not stop adding arguments until everybody was convinced that I was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMSimon View Post
    Yes, Billy, I think we have participated in other threads. And at a certain point, I have stopped discussing.
    I used to be much like you on forums for quite some time. I used to think I had to drive my point home and not stop adding arguments until everybody was convinced that I was right.
    Good comment on a general level.

    I know I was there once years ago. It's almost part of the forum maturation process that can be seen with newer posters. Often times they mellow out, or just go away. I have done both in my day

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMSimon View Post
    Yes, Billy, I think we have participated in other threads. And at a certain point, I have stopped discussing.
    I used to be much like you on forums for quite some time. I used to think I had to drive my point home and not stop adding arguments until everybody was convinced that I was right.
    Whoa, Billy, you just going to sit there and take that!!!

    Seriously, I got the information I was looking for. Everyone was very helpful. That's what makes this forum so successful. Informative and entertaining.

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    I really wanted to hear a comparison of the RT to the GTL. It may seem foolish to many, that are already educated in this subject. Before purchasing my now one year old to me 2009 R1200RT I spent a year researching only to end up on a new 2009 FJR, which I traded 3 months later because the inherent "buzz" of a inline four coupled with a 5 speed transmission made my hands and feet go numb. My next educational experience was with a 2009 Concours, the engine heat and an article in Rider comparing the R1200RT and the 1400 cc beast of a Kawasaki (Although apparently apples and pears to most) gave me the insight that the BMW dealer and web sites had not. My RT is the most comfortable motorcycle that I have ever owned, however I never knew the RT was so much better ergonomically than the competition by sitting on them in the dealerships for five minutes. The comparison for myself is more of an curiosity, is the GTL to the RT what the RT is to the FJR? It cost a lot of money to gain the limited education I have when it comes to the so called "sport touring" motorcycle. I was hoping to hear some things that made people chose one over the other, once the water cooled RT comes out I will be in the market to upgrade and don't want to have to learn the hard expensive way. Thank you to all those willing to share their experience.

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    I replied earlier, about the liquid cooled RT
    Local dealers says mid 2014 in showroom
    Like my 1600 a great deal, lots of power, and handles exceptionally well
    Ridden a older RT while a nice bike, it was apples and oranges compared to 1600
    With 130 hp and all the goodies from the 1600 the new RT may be my next bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsd View Post
    I really wanted to hear a comparison of the RT to the GTL. It may seem foolish to many, that are already educated in this subject. Before purchasing my now one year old to me 2009 R1200RT I spent a year researching only to end up on a new 2009 FJR, which I traded 3 months later because the inherent "buzz" of a inline four coupled with a 5 speed transmission made my hands and feet go numb. My next educational experience was with a 2009 Concours, the engine heat and an article in Rider comparing the R1200RT and the 1400 cc beast of a Kawasaki (Although apparently apples and pears to most) gave me the insight that the BMW dealer and web sites had not. My RT is the most comfortable motorcycle that I have ever owned, however I never knew the RT was so much better ergonomically than the competition by sitting on them in the dealerships for five minutes. The comparison for myself is more of an curiosity, is the GTL to the RT what the RT is to the FJR? It cost a lot of money to gain the limited education I have when it comes to the so called "sport touring" motorcycle. I was hoping to hear some things that made people chose one over the other, once the water cooled RT comes out I will be in the market to upgrade and don't want to have to learn the hard expensive way. Thank you to all those willing to share their experience.
    Don't let others get to you. If the comparison is valid to you it's valid. I had many people compare RT's to GTL's; not an unusual comparison by any means.

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    My 2 cents

    Hello guys.

    My first message here.

    I have a C650GT, the scooter, and I'm looking for a motorcycle to share the garage with it.

    Had the pleasure to test both the RT and the GTL and the GTL did it for me. It was the engine, that butter smooth powerhouse that clicked for me.

    The RT was very comfortable but the engine was very "tractor" like for my tastes. I come from the world of 4 cyl Japanese bikes and prefer smooth engines.

    Now, I was told the new water cooled GS is extremely different from the old oil-air boxer. Never had the chance to test it. Maybe the 2014 RT is the bike I need, but can I wait until mid-2014? When will the new RT be available? I wish I knew.

    Also, my original idea was to sell the scooter and get the bike but a weekend with a loaned GTL told me this might be a bad idea. I use the scooter a lot to ride close to my house, run some errands, go to the gym, etc, and when I tried to do it with the GTL it was not as convenient. So I'm now thinking of keeping both the scooter and the motorcycle.

    Maybe I need to test the 1200 GS and try to get a feeling for the engine, try to imagine how the new RT will be. Will see.

    Anyways, nice being here, learning a lot from you all.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t6pilot View Post
    Ridden a older RT while a nice bike, it was apples and oranges compared to 1600
    With 130 hp and all the goodies from the 1600 the new RT may be my next bike
    An older RT vs a brand new one is also not a fair comparison.
    I don't think I'll ever use all of the 110HP of the current generation RT.

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    130 HP for the new RT ! Wow, can't wait to ride one !




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    GTL for day...

    Quote Originally Posted by OfficerImpersonator View Post
    I had a GTL for a day as a service loaner. Put 200 miles on it just because I could. I couldn't stand how twitchy the bike was when passing large vehicles at highway sped.e The turbulence from trucks/buses/RVs/etc. was unnerving. I guessed it was due to the giant Goldwing top box catching the wind, but regardless of what caused it, I didn't like it. I didn't like the ergonomics, either. I felt like I was riding inside a Barcalounger instead of riding a motorcycle.

    Every GT rider who has heard this story tells me to test ride a GT - that it's a totally different bike with completely different characteristics and ergonomics, and it's rock-solid stable at speed and when passing large vehicles or encountering side or cross-winds.

    Were I in the market for a cross-country sport touring bike, I'd compare the RT to the GT - not the GTL.
    Having a GTL for a day provides very little time to become familiar with all it has to offer. The comment about "I couldn't stand how twitchy the bike was when passing large vehicles at highway speed." suggests the Ride Mode may have been set to Dynamic. In this Mode the throttle is adjusted so the throttle reacts very quickly. When you take the power of the straight 6 engine, while in the Dynamic mode, from 60-70mph and you give the throttle a good quick twist the bike will launch forward and if your not ready, you're going to feel uncomfortable. As for Wind turbulence when passing large vehicles one must always expect some level of turbulence. On the GTL, in Dynamic mode, the bike will boost the MPH to 90-100+. And, if your not ready for that, the speed of the bike will add to the turbulence just as the Top Box will. Bottom line, I feel, is that the GTL provided exactly what your input asked for, problem was you were not as familiar with the GTL capabilities. FYI- You'll see similar handling with the GT if the Mode setting is in Dynamic mode. I think you will like either K1600 once you more familiar with all of it's capabilities.


    I can't tell you how many BMW's, non 1600's, as well as many other bikes have been left behind when they try to pass at 60-75mph. I'll pull over at the next stop, as many of the other bikes will also pull in, and the first thing I see is a shaking head and a big smile once they see the Touring bike that left them behind. I still find the performance of my GTL quite amazing. I will not even mention what happened to an F6B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn.charger View Post
    I can't tell you how many BMW's, non 1600's, as well as many other bikes have been left behind when they try to pass at 60-75mph. I'll pull over at the next stop, as many of the other bikes will also pull in, and the first thing I see is a shaking head and a big smile once they see the Touring bike that left them behind. I still find the performance of my GTL quite amazing. I will not even mention what happened to an F6B.
    I agree with the statement about the performance of the K16. I experience the same thing. However: This is not a priority for many people who look for a touring bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn.charger View Post
    I can't tell you how many BMW's, non 1600's, as well as many other bikes have been left behind when they try to pass at 60-75mph. I'll pull over at the next stop, as many of the other bikes will also pull in, and the first thing I see is a shaking head and a big smile once they see the Touring bike that left them behind. I still find the performance of my GTL quite amazing. I will not even mention what happened to an F6B.
    This post got me thinking about the relative mid range performance of some of the newer bikes, relative to a 1600 GTL, and I wondered whether this is a bike thing, or a rider thing.

    The 2011 Motorcyclist Magazine GTL / Gold Wing article states that the 60 - 80 top gear roll on time for the GTL is 3.95 seconds.

    Here are Motorcyclist's roll on data for BMWs, and some other marques:

    http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/pe..._pdataresults/

    You will see that the K1200GTs and 1200GS have approximately the same performance as the 1600, and the K1200R is quicker. Unfortunately, the R1200S and ST are not listed. As expected, once you look at sporty bikes, there are any number that are quicker.

    Overall, the GTL's numbers are pretty good.
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