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    RT vs GTL

    I tried to search but came up empty. I know this question has been asked before. I love my RT. Unfortunately, my wife and I rode a GTL Saturday and wow, very nice bike. Roomier, more stable at high speed, smooth, expen$ive.

    90% of my riding is two-up. We are considering a pop up camper to tow to rallies. My wife has never camped and we'll see how sleeping on the ground goes at the RA rally.

    Questions I would like to have answered.

    Weather protection for the passenger on the GTL? She sits up higher and loves that, but what about rain?
    towing capabilities. I'm sure The GTL would handle it better, but am I ok to tow a $250 lb trailer with the RT.
    I'd like to hear from anyone who has made this swap. Regrets? Content?

    Thank you for input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tf78933 View Post
    I tried to search but came up empty. I know this question has been asked before. I love my RT. Unfortunately, my wife and I rode a GTL Saturday and wow, very nice bike. Roomier, more stable at high speed, smooth, expen$ive.

    90% of my riding is two-up. We are considering a pop up camper to tow to rallies. My wife has never camped and we'll see how sleeping on the ground goes at the RA rally.

    Questions I would like to have answered.

    Weather protection for the passenger on the GTL? She sits up higher and loves that, but what about rain?
    towing capabilities. I'm sure The GTL would handle it better, but am I ok to tow a $250 lb trailer with the RT.
    I'd like to hear from anyone who has made this swap. Regrets? Content?

    Thank you for input.
    Adding a trailer IMO adds an unacceptable degree of risk. I would never recommend putting a spouse on the back and then adding a trailer. Of course, if you're trying to be single this just may do the job .

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    I was always curious about trailers and thought I'd get one eventually until I read the trailer write-up here today.
    Look on the MOA home page here. Very eye-opening and at least several reasons to NOT get a trailer.

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    RT vs GTL? Strange comparison. It's like deciding between a Ford Taurus and a Ford Explorer.
    What made you decide to buy an RT vs an LT?
    I also love my RT. I bought a GT and kept the RT. I know , it is not an option for everyone, but the bikes are too different to either one take the other's place.

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    RT vs. GT instead of RT vs. GTL

    I had a GTL for a day as a service loaner. Put 200 miles on it just because I could. I couldn't stand how twitchy the bike was when passing large vehicles at highway speed. The turbulence from trucks/buses/RVs/etc. was unnerving. I guessed it was due to the giant Goldwing top box catching the wind, but regardless of what caused it, I didn't like it. I didn't like the ergonomics, either. I felt like I was riding inside a Barcalounger instead of riding a motorcycle.

    Every GT rider who has heard this story tells me to test ride a GT - that it's a totally different bike with completely different characteristics and ergonomics, and it's rock-solid stable at speed and when passing large vehicles or encountering side or cross-winds.

    Were I in the market for a cross-country sport touring bike, I'd compare the RT to the GT - not the GTL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficerImpersonator View Post
    I had a GTL for a day as a service loaner. Put 200 miles on it just because I could. I couldn't stand how twitchy the bike was when passing large vehicles at highway speed. The turbulence from trucks/buses/RVs/etc. was unnerving. I guessed it was due to the giant Goldwing top box catching the wind, but regardless of what caused it, I didn't like it. I didn't like the ergonomics, either. I felt like I was riding inside a Barcalounger instead of riding a motorcycle.

    Every GT rider who has heard this story tells me to test ride a GT - that it's a totally different bike with completely different characteristics and ergonomics, and it's rock-solid stable at speed and when passing large vehicles or encountering side or cross-winds.

    Were I in the market for a cross-country sport touring bike, I'd compare the RT to the GT - not the GTL.
    I've only sat on a GT and it felt a lot like the RT. They have a nice red used one in one of the local dealers and when I had my fuel strip replaced last weekend, it made me think. The thing that made me say no was that it's a first year bike and it's almost 2/3 through warranty mileage wise. Out of warranty repairs on an RT can be heart stopping, on a first year model like this, cremating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    I've only sat on a GT and it felt a lot like the RT. .
    Sit in a Chevrolet Malibu and you will find out it will feel a lot like sitting in a Corvette.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMSimon View Post
    Sit in a Chevrolet Malibu and you will find out it will feel a lot like sitting in a Corvette.......
    For me it did. Even Cycle-ergo.com bears this out. I think I know the difference between the vette and the malibu: I wouldn't willingly drive either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    I've only sat on a GT and it felt a lot like the RT. They have a nice red used one in one of the local dealers and when I had my fuel strip replaced last weekend, it made me think. The thing that made me say no was that it's a first year bike and it's almost 2/3 through warranty mileage wise. Out of warranty repairs on an RT can be heart stopping, on a first year model like this, cremating.
    Fuel strip replaced... tell me it ain't so!

    In my opinion 2005 and later RT's are much nicer than the 6-cylinders. 6-cylinder however might offer better passenger comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy walker View Post
    Fuel strip replaced... tell me it ain't so!

    In my opinion 2005 and later RT's are much nicer than the 6-cylinders. 6-cylinder however might offer better passenger comfort.
    First one.

    How are the RTs nicer? What I do like on the GT is more power. There are times I wish I had it. Of course I could lose weight and that would help, but I just wish the RT had more stonk and less of I have to reel in the throttle to get WOT. Not huge objections at all, just something I think about. The RT has a lot of driveline lash too, but I seriously doubt the GT solves that. What I do like about the RT is the lower monthly payment and probably better gas mileage. I'd also have to start over with the change the whatever to make it fit me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    First one.

    How are the RTs nicer? What I do like on the GT is more power. There are times I wish I had it. Of course I could lose weight and that would help, but I just wish the RT had more stonk and less of I have to reel in the throttle to get WOT. Not huge objections at all, just something I think about. The RT has a lot of driveline lash too, but I seriously doubt the GT solves that. What I do like about the RT is the lower monthly payment and probably better gas mileage. I'd also have to start over with the change the whatever to make it fit me.
    RT's could absolutely use more horsepower. Another 50 would be primo.

    Now remember I love RT's anyway so your mileage may vary here anyway:
    1) Too big and bulky
    2) Seat height too low
    3) No where near enough leg room for someone 6' 1" tall
    4) Snatchy driveline (worse than RT?)
    5) Has the capability to blow through tires far too quickly
    6) In-line 6? Didn't Honda do that years ago?
    7) Too wide
    8) Requires more effort to back out of garage

    Low on horsepower yes but for us tall folks the foot peg to seat relationship can't be beat among touring bikes. And, it can be increased further thanks to mod's such as Suburban Machinery. Although the 6-cylinder has the potential to be a better super slab bike than the RT for us tall (?) folks there is no where near enough leg room IMO. I love RT legroom! Plus, IMO it is quite possibly the best all around motorcycle on Planet Earth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy walker View Post
    RT's could absolutely use more horsepower. Another 50 would be primo.

    Now remember I love RT's anyway so your mileage may vary here anyway:
    1) Too big and bulky
    2) Seat height too low
    3) No where near enough leg room for someone 6' 1" tall
    4) Snatchy driveline (worse than RT?)
    5) Has the capability to blow through tires far too quickly
    6) In-line 6? Didn't Honda do that years ago?
    7) Too wide
    8) Requires more effort to back out of garage

    Low on horsepower yes but for us tall folks the foot peg to seat relationship can't be beat among touring bikes. And, it can be increased further thanks to mod's such as Suburban Machinery. Although the 6-cylinder has the potential to be a better super slab bike than the RT for us tall (?) folks there is no where near enough leg room IMO. I love RT legroom! Plus, IMO it is quite possibly the best all around motorcycle on Planet Earth!
    The two best bikes for tall people are the GSA and the Victory Cross Country/Vision.

    I have Suburban Machine lowering kit on my RT and moto techniques risers.
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    For those of you who responded to the original thread, thank you for your input. Also got good advice from K1600forum.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy walker View Post
    RT's could absolutely use more horsepower. Another 50 would be primo.

    Now remember I love RT's anyway so your mileage may vary here anyway:
    1) Too big and bulky the incremental size increase over the RT is marginal
    2) Seat height too low Only applies tot he GTL, GT seat height is comparable to RT
    3) No where near enough leg room for someone 6' 1" tall Same here. GT has better ergonomics for tall people
    4) Snatchy driveline (worse than RT?) That's a matter of getting used to. The E-throttle requires some practice
    5) Has the capability to blow through tires far too quickly That's hear-say. People have 13,000 miles on a set of Michelins
    6) In-line 6? Didn't Honda do that years ago?So? How many cars have V6es? Is that a point against it? BTW, Benelli had the first street 6-Cylinder
    7) Too wide See 1)
    8) Requires more effort to back out of garage see 1)

    Low on horsepower yes but for us tall folks the foot peg to seat relationship can't be beat among touring bikes. And, it can be increased further thanks to mod's such as Suburban Machinery.They supply footpeg kits for the K16 also Although the 6-cylinder has the potential to be a better super slab bike than the RT for us tall (?) folks there is no where near enough leg room IMO. I love RT legroom! Plus, IMO it is quite possibly the best all around motorcycle on Planet Earth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tf78933 View Post
    For those of you who responded to the original thread, thank you for your input. Also got good advice from K1600forum.com
    I tried that forum. I joined and couldn't post. What good is that?
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