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Thread: Motolights Halogen vs. Clearwater LED's - 2012 R1200GS

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    Got a set of Kristas installed on my RT at the rally. Since I was first in line, Glen gave me a free install. These babies light up the night. Thanks Glen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LngRdr View Post
    Got a set of Kristas installed on my RT at the rally. Since I was first in line, Glen gave me a free install. These babies light up the night. Thanks Glen!
    Same. Great deal. Great lights, I guess I was second in line. Arranged ages ago with Lorett.
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    This was a question I was having myself recently, Denali vs motolight vs clearwater. In emailing w/ Glenn @ Clearwater I got some images of WHAT THE RIDER SEES w/ the lights at night, as most images on their site seem to be just of lights on a bike.

    See below for comparison

    LOw Beams
    Low Beam-sm.jpg

    Kristas
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    Ericas
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    Mounts?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDenis View Post
    I mounted mine inside the Wunderlich engine bars. Some of the pics above show the lights as being vulnerable in even a minor drop. If you slide, the lights won't make it.
    What did you use to mount on the engine bars? Does the standard kit have an application or did you use something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mypetersahn View Post
    What did you use to mount on the engine bars? Does the standard kit have an application or did you use something else?
    I used Techmount Light Mounts for Tubular Bars. I can't say that I am happy with the part of the design of these mounts. After some use, the locking screw will not hold the light mount to the bar clamp. The screw doesn't come loose, but the stem wears and on two occasions the lights were hanging by the wires. The first time I used cable ties to hold the light mounts in place and the second time packed the joint with a silicone rubber compound. When the current mounts fail, and they will, I will use a set that I have repaired with epoxy resin. They won't fail, I am sure.

    Techmount has responded to by difficulties by sending new mounts: twice within the 1 year warranty, so I have spares that I can repair, as mentioned. If you buy them, fit them and adjust as you need and then use some JB weld or epoxy putty to permanently attach the light mounts to the bar mounts. You will still be able to remove them from the bars, and remove the lights from the mount.
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    Got tired of changing the bulb on my motolights. Last time one burned out I changed the bulb for motolights LED version. They were a little expensive, $100 per pair, but very happy with results!
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    The Motolights have a superb housing but use an indoor bulb design- and are also becoming obsolete. The LED option available for them doesn't put out much light either. They seriously need a modern 10W LED update but that would have to be custom made from one of the shops in Korea that does such work- might not be affordable even if the Motolight owners have the contacts to get such work done. I suspect Motolights are well on the path to being like PIAA 1100s, stuff that sells some because of reputation and quality but seriously out of date. Motolights are only good for conspicuity- they don't put much light on the road. Should be considered as alternate for Photon Blasters, not for down the road lighting.

    The Denali D2 has been made in several versions under the same name- they all look alike until taken apart so the LED and board can be examined- but the output differs by more than a factor of 2 despite the fact that the Twisted Throttle specs are the same for all versions. The same lights are available from VisionX with a wider assortment of lenses and what is IMO a better made harness. These lights do a good job of supplementing low beams but are not long range driving lights. The 20 degree beam is easir on the eyes of oncoming drivers than the 10 degree beam but you will proably need the dimmer if in urbanized areas if you want to use these at night. They are also superb conspicuity lights.

    The Clearwaters are pricey and you will for sure need the dimmer for night use where there is oncoming traffic. The latest designs are modern LED types with plenty of output (more than the D2) to extend the low beam or to act as longer range lights depending on choice. However, the glare problem from these lights to oncoming drivers can be severe. All modern high output LED designs fail to shield the LED point source, pointing it directly down road, so this effect is unavoidable with such types and the dimmer is only a partial answer. What is needed is a reflector type design with a shield over the LED, as PIAA has done with a lower output LED lamp. If you live in a rural enough area the Clearwaters will be fine but otherwise you're likely to piss off every other driver coming your way unless you're really fast on the dimmer and maybe even then.

    For those reasons, I use VisionX SP120 or SP110 on my bikes as a mid range light and continue to use FF50 halogens with 65W (2100 lumen) bulbs as my driving lights.
    It is not always true that more ligt makes for a more suitable choice. And there is also no one pair of lights than does everything well- you will need a couple sets to cover all reasonable situations.

    To evaluate glare from your light setup, simply park the bike in a flat drak place, walk out front about 50 yds and get your eyes down to the height of the lights. You'll know immediately how oncoming drivers will react- anything thats a lot worse than a stock low beam will draw responses.
    Last edited by racer7; 08-15-2013 at 03:35 PM.

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    I'm not saying that your point isn't valid, but I've got 30k on krista and glenda lights and I've never been flashed by an oncoming driver. I don't turn them off day or night. I've got them mounted level to the ground, as per instructions.
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    Judging by how much you piss off other road users isn't relevant. Get out front and compare for yourself- it is the only way guaranteed to show you the other guys perspective.

    Years ago PA state troopers used to try to bait drivers into responding to high beam inappropriately- by leaving their highs on or deliberately switching to highs and seeing if a driver would respond by also going to and leaving high beams on. I don't know if they've been disabused of this behavior yet or not. I witnessed it for myself quite a few times on 220 and other roads I used going N-S or S-N hrough PA. Given the huge number of small road rats in PA (when I lived in NY we used to joke about going to PA to go "dog" hunting, they're so small) I wonder why folks don't drive with highs and driving lights on all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racer7 View Post
    Judging by how much you piss off other road users isn't relevant. Get out front and compare for yourself- it is the only way guaranteed to show you the other guys perspective.

    Years ago PA state troopers used to try to bait drivers into responding to high beam inappropriately- by leaving their highs on or deliberately switching to highs and seeing if a driver would respond by also going to and leaving high beams on. I don't know if they've been disabused of this behavior yet or not. I witnessed it for myself quite a few times on 220 and other roads I used going N-S or S-N hrough PA. Given the huge number of small road rats in PA (when I lived in NY we used to joke about going to PA to go "dog" hunting, they're so small) I wonder why folks don't drive with highs and driving lights on all the time.
    I have and they're bright and conspicuous, just as they're supposed to be. I believe it is very relevant. If I'm not pissing them off, and (knock on wood), they're not turning in front of me, then I really don't care how bright they are. They're not pissed off, and so far, I'm not dead. If I had to pick between the two of those options, they could pound sand. Sorry.
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    And to be clear, they're on low at all times except when my high beams are turned on. Of course they're dimmed into oncoming traffic.
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    I just had the Clearwater Erica's installed and used them last night and the night before as best I could with the traffic. The pictures from the prior post give a pretty accurate depiction of what the Erica's are like. I had them on bright and as cars approached from behind the car lights added nothing to the light in front of me and as I would dim them when they got even with me it was a lot darker with the Erica's on dim and the addition of their lights.

    I just traded in my 08 GSA for a 13 GSA and the Erica's replaced the lower factory lights on the GSA. I had the local BMW shop install them but the wiring harness that came with it made it a pretty effortless upgrade. I really like how the BMW on/off switch that controlled the lower lights on the GSA now turns on or off the Clearwater's. In addition, when they are on, the brightness adjustment allows you to turn them down to a lower level and no one flashed me. But when you hit the bright switch it seriously lights up the road. I would guess that if you were doing a hundred you would not out run the lights, still not a good idea at night. Money well spent.

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