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    IBMWR renege

    There were some bags advertised on IBMWR. I emailed the guy that I wanted to buy them, and that I needed shipping cost. Paypal was fine. He says he was going out of town, and would catch up the next week. When he came back, he wanted me to figure freight. I sent him numbers based on his weights and dimensions, and asked him to verify it all loked good, so could pay and finish the deal.
    Then he comes back, says he was offerred more for them, and would I like to bid more money for them; that was I as interested as someone else supposedly was I told him I was very interested until the deal sudenly changed, and that I do not conduct business that way.
    I am not sure which amazed me more; that this was apparently a member of the BMW commmunity, or that he didn't seem to see what was wrong in changing terms after the sale offer was accepted.
    Are we getting more people like this?

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    As a percentage of the population I'm sure the the number is roughly the same. We just hear about it more often now that "we" are so connected (internet).

    And I'm just as sure the seller has no compunction about asking you for a for a higher price, even though he "closed" the deal with you. With regard the "the BMW community"... what's so righteous about people who ride a particular brand of motorcycle? Human nature, is human nature.

    In 1976 I went to work for an individual well known in the motorcycle industry. We had a fire at our factory in Illinois and many of the bikes stored at the plant were drug outside and summarily dumped to save them from the inferno; they laid out in the snow for weeks before we could even think about retrieving them. One bike in particular caught my eye (a Bultaco 250 Alpina) and I spent a week of free time cleaning it up and getting it running again. I approached my boss with an offer for the bike, which he accepted and I told him I'd bring the cash in the next day. I caught up with him the next morning and offered him the agreed upon price; three one-hundred dollar bills. His response was, "there's one more thing, you need to clean up my 350 Alpina and get it squared away as part of the bargain". I folded up the cash and put it back into my pocket and told him, "No sale, a deal is a deal". He looked shocked. I worked for this person for another four years but never had the same respect for him from that day forward, and I've never put a person up on a pedestal since.
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    It has seemed to me, overall, that the BMW people have been more trustworthy than average. That the acts did support the words. At least such has been my experience. I guess this guy is an exception.

    Some other riders do seem to have mostly big mouths, often with little content. I wouldn't want to say it is because of brand, but I am observant.

    I agree with you, a deal is a deal, and needs to be followed thru on principle. I don't put people on pedestals, but I do have certain expectations.

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    Some people consider a deal-a-deal and their word as their bond. Other people will grab one more buck if they can, their word be damned. Greedy is as greedy does.

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    When I sell something I price it to sell. I got alot of calls and messages when I was selling my K bike. I had some one offer me a few hundred less than I was asking. This was sight unseen offer. it was the first 'real buyer'. He was two hours away and couldn't come until the next day. I told him it was for sale to others until he arrived with the cash. I was upfront about it, and he knew it. If another buyer beat him to it, I would have called to tell him it was sold out of courtesy, but I wouldn't have asked him to make a better offer. Thats not how I do business. Not fair to the person who is standing in front of me with cash in hand. And coincidently, (sp?) when I buy things, I expect the same situation. If I am 'beaten to the punch', so be it. I think the OP's situation could have been handled better by both parties.

    Since it was a 'purchase by mail', the shipping should have been determined immediately, and an agreed time frame for the monies to arrive. If the money didnt show, then all deals are off and start all over.

    The sellers 'Im going out of town...catch up later' excuse sounds lame, as postage can be figured in a few seconds on the internet, and money can be sent wit Paypal in about the same amount of time...buyer should have pinned the seller down, or maybe be thankful the deal fell through?
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    This is just another example of ones word being their bond. I lived in Nevada in the fifties, sixties and mid seventies. In the early years a handshake was a legal contract. By the 1970s the Californians had moved into the state in such large numbers you couldn't trust anyone. I left and ran away to Oregon and recently have found the same problems with immigrants from the south.
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    Actually, it might have been worse if I had sent the money, with a ship estimate, right away. Then where would I have been when it suddenly became an "auction"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPMARTY View Post
    This is just another example of ones word being their bond. I lived in Nevada in the fifties, sixties and mid seventies. In the early years a handshake was a legal contract. By the 1970s the Californians had moved into the state in such large numbers you couldn't trust anyone. I left and ran away to Oregon and recently have found the same problems with immigrants from the south.
    hmm, aren't you an immigrant from the south?

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    I wrote a big rant to this idea that "people that move here" "or belong to" "or own this" have this or that character issue but please give me an award for sparing you the words-lets just say that I heartily disagree!!!

    The idea that owning a brand or paying certain dues or being from a certain place has character inferences is flat wrong! That's the kind of stuff that breeds contempt for a brand or a club or ? Sure doesn't float at my house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    I wrote a big rant to this idea that "people that move here" "or belong to" "or own this" have this or that character issue but please give me an award for sparing you the words-lets just say that I heartily disagree!!!

    The idea that owning a brand or paying certain dues or being from a certain place has character inferences is flat wrong! That's the kind of stuff that breeds contempt for a brand or a club or ? Sure doesn't float at my house.
    +1, Gunny; Hear you Loud and Clear Brother kantuckid, certainly doesn't fly with Sergeant Stanley either!

    OFF TOPIC: kantuckid, just wanted to let you know that a bunch of us are riding to Mexico for my 65th Birthday in October. http://www.fjriders.com/viewtopic.ph...5&hilit=Mulege
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    To clarify,

    The "pedestal" I referred to was that people should conduct themselves in a manner that I had been raised to expect. Life shows us otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    I wrote a big rant to this idea that "people that move here" "or belong to" "or own this" have this or that character issue but please give me an award for sparing you the words-lets just say that I heartily disagree!!!

    The idea that owning a brand or paying certain dues or being from a certain place has character inferences is flat wrong! That's the kind of stuff that breeds contempt for a brand or a club or ? Sure doesn't float at my house.
    Yes, I do agree with you. While I have been favorably impressed in my interactions with other BMW riders; I do not think the membership or ownership confers something on anyone. Something I have disliked about the Los Angeles, or SF Bay areas, is the large number of people who seemingly "are" their "stuff". The "look at me, I am something because my car is less than 3 years old, I eat at all the right places, my clothing is so cool because it has all the matching Nike swooshes, I belong to the right HOA and gym, I (say) I just read the trendiest book, my motorcycle makes me macho" etc etc - people who have essentially tried to "purchase" their whole ego and persona. All that external stuff does not help, and in the extreme I have laid out, may even inhibit, good character from developing or coming forth. Sleazy crass dishonest behavior cuts across all demographics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lmo1131 View Post
    The "pedestal" I referred to was that people should conduct themselves in a manner that I had been raised to expect. Life shows us otherwise.
    Yes, I always hope for the best, but stay ready for the worst. When the good things happen , it is a pleasant surprise to be very thankful for.
    Perhaps one might say it is correct to ethically expect the right behavior, but pragmatically doubt the occurrence of it at any given moment. And isn't this the sort of outlook which keeps us alive in our two wheeled travels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jforgo View Post
    Actually, it might have been worse if I had sent the money, with a ship estimate, right away. Then where would I have been when it suddenly became an "auction"?
    Yep, that's what I meant when I said maybe you were lucky the deal fell through!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jforgo View Post
    Yes, I always hope for the best, but stay ready for the worst. When the good things happen , it is a pleasant surprise to be very thankful for.
    Perhaps one might say it is correct to ethically expect the right behavior, but pragmatically doubt the occurrence of it at any given moment. And isn't this the sort of outlook which keeps us alive in our two wheeled travels?

    Well put!
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