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    Fellow Members: I am ready for a top notch radar and laser detector/blocker. any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm ready to travel this season but don't need anymore tickets! Ton

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    I'm sure there's going to be a lot of "just drive the speed limit comments" but I'll do what I can to help out.

    There's only one moto specific radar detector on the market right now. IIRC it's called the TPX. It's weather proof so that's kind of nice.

    Blocking radar and laser is a sticky area. Radar jammers are illegal period. They violate FCC rules and can lead to a big fine.

    Laser jammers are legal in lots of areas but there are other areas where they are illegal. They became illegal in Texas during the 2011 legislative session. There are a few out there that are proven to work but they are expensive and again legal in some areas and not in others.

    The Valentine 1 is considered the "best" detector on the market usually but I prefer other units from Beltronics and Escort (same company really). I run a Beltronics Vector 995 on my bike with a Mark Parnes visual alert device on top.

    Passive detection and smart riding are going to do you the best good. Get a good quality detector and keep your eyes scanning. Don't rely entirely on your detector. Scan ahead, watch what traffic is doing (are they slowing down for some unknown reason?) and try not to be the fastest vehicle on the road.

    A motorcycle already has pretty small radar cross section so you are harder to pick up via radar.

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    Lots of old threads on this, one from last year. It'll just be d?®j?á vu all over again if this thread keeps on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Downs View Post
    Passive detection and smart riding are going to do you the best good. Get a good quality detector and keep your eyes scanning. Don't rely entirely on your detector. Scan ahead, watch what traffic is doing (are they slowing down for some unknown reason?) and try not to be the fastest vehicle on the road.
    Good advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpaul View Post
    Good advice.
    As said by Tex, very good advice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ton123 View Post
    Fellow Members: I am ready for a top notch radar and laser detector/blocker. any suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm ready to travel this season but don't need anymore tickets! Ton
    Valentine1 is the gold standard-


    There are many who criticize the V1 but usually it's really the price that they are complaining about. Sure $400.00 sounds like a lot of money but it really isn't if you add up the consequences and total fees for a ticket. There is the fine and the insurance surcharges- usually over a 3 year period. The end result, really, is one save and the unit is free.
    If you like to go fast it will help, and if you are just looking to cut down on the very prevalent revenue enhancement that is going on, it will help a lot. The only drawback I find is that it's really not weather resistant but there are cases that take care of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    Valentine1 is the gold standard-
    It's the old gold standard. The new one is the Escort 9500ix, which has a GPS database of red light cameras, speed traps, and it locks out false alarms the third time you ride through them. It also has networking via smartphone, so anyone else with the "smartcord live" on the road you're on will auto-transfer his alerts to your device. If you're riding into police activity, you're gonna know about a mile ahead of time. The other big advantage is monthly updates via downloads from Escort. And yeah, it costs more than the V1. The only thing the V1 has going for it is the directional arrows, but hey, if I get a Ka band alert, it doesn't take me long to visually scan in all directions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommcgee View Post
    ......... which has a GPS database of red light cameras, speed traps......... and it locks out false alarms the third time you ride through them.......... It also has networking via smartphone, so anyone else with the "smartcord live" on the road you're on will auto-transfer his alerts to your device........ The other big advantage is monthly updates via downloads from Escort.
    That's all interesting Tom, it looks like V1 has some new wizz-bang going on also- http://www.valentine1.com/v1info/v1connection/
    I would have to wait a while on that technology/features from either company....we all know of GPS roads to nowhere... I've never really bought into the notion of "false alarms" as it's a receiver and something set it off. IMO a big part of operating such a device is the reception of those pesky "false alarms", realizing what they are- microwave dish on a tower, door opener at the mall and learning to differentiate between them. It would seem to me that if locations of a speed trap was programmed into a device, it would be real easy for someone in an aggressive enforcement to move the trap and foul things up. It's like 290 in Worcester when there are 3 in a row in a 4 mile stretch

    BTW guys as this has developed into more of a Gear kinda deal...it's off to the Gear section
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    I've never really bought into the notion of "false alarms" as it's a receiver and something set it off. IMO a big part of operating such a device is the reception
    False alarms are very bad in urban areas, and so is the explosion of local police departments with mobile radar on their cruisers. I can't leave town without getting painted by a radar transmitter three times. Locking out the false alarms makes you pay attention -- the only time my detecter goes off, it's a real threat. V1 is fine in the boonies. We have no boonies left in eastern Massachusetts.

    Glad to see Mike Valentine is being an engineer again with an improvement, but he's still got a way to go to catch up on the social networking aspect of connecting devices together. It's a good start, but I'd add the Waze app which gives you more info about threats beyond your immediate surrounding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommcgee View Post
    It's the old gold standard. The new one is the Escort 9500ix, which has a GPS database of red light cameras, speed traps, and it locks out false alarms the third time you ride through them. It also has networking via smartphone, so anyone else with the "smartcord live" on the road you're on will auto-transfer his alerts to your device. If you're riding into police activity, you're gonna know about a mile ahead of time. The other big advantage is monthly updates via downloads from Escort. And yeah, it costs more than the V1. The only thing the V1 has going for it is the directional arrows, but hey, if I get a Ka band alert, it doesn't take me long to visually scan in all directions.
    I have the Red-light alert in my Garmin 665.

    V-1 all the way. Please don't belittle the effectiveness of the arrows. I believe it is crucial to know where (and don't forget it tells you how many) signals there are and which signal is strongest

    I have been using it in my cars for years and bike for 4 years!

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    You must learn to interpret what your detector is conveying to you. You cannot depend on a detector if you are alone on a road or leading a pack with no vehicles in front of you.
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    I have always considered a RD, but never gotten one. At one point I did a lot of research and it seemed the escort was really the best. My friend has a Valentine 1 and says he gets a lot of false readings here around the Bay Area.

    I'll be honest, I go fast. My cruising speed is generally around 80mph on the freeway (though lately I've been able to tone it down to 70-75) and I've been commuting for about 10 years mostly in a car, but recently on my RT. I've been pulled over maybe 7 or 8 times for speed and received two tickets for speeding. I haven't been pulled over in the last 4 years though as I've matured a bit and learned how to avoid tickets as well as dangerous situations. I always operate with a buffer zone system. If I'm going 80mph, I have room in front of me to react and brake all the way to a stop if need be. If I don't have that distance, I slow down until I do. At 80mph the RT takes roughly 4 seconds to slow to a stop at maximum braking and good road conditions. To make this easier, I also often try to get to the front of a pack of cars if there is room. This does leave me as the primary target for traffic enforcement.

    I have also learned to spot where typical spots are for police to meter from and if I suspect one is around the corner, I slow down instinctively. Also remember that the horizon of a hill is an easy place to meter as you can't see what's on the down slope until you crest the top and are already metered. I know just about every spot CHP sits on my commute and I've even stopped by at their top-of-the-hill rest stop hangout to say hi. If I'm in an area I don't I don't know, I generally ride slower. Lastly, if there is traffic or even moderate crowding, my pace slows quite a bit (luckily I have always commuted in off-hours for traffic). I'm not trying for this to sound like a cop evasion class. I understand that the speed I ride is not legal and is deemed "unsafe" by the law, though I disagree with the latter. I feel I ride/drive prudently and that I am capable of travelling at those speeds safely. If I get pulled over, I'm honest and will answer questions. Remember you can always take the "don't self-incriminate" route, but you'll likely still get a ticket if you were breaking the law. I have nothing to hide and on a traffic stop I'll eat the ticket if I did the speed they say.

    I highly doubt any radar detector would have had an effect on any of my incidents of being stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomicman52 View Post
    V-1 all the way. Please don't belittle the effectiveness of the arrows. I believe it is crucial to know where (and don't forget it tells you how many) signals there are and which signal is strongest
    If that's what you like, go for it, only you don't need arrows to tell you to slow down if you're riding too fast and the Ka alert goes off. I ran a V1 and Escort 9500ix side by side for about a year. The only place the V1 holds its own is on the open road in non-urban areas.
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    Happy Escort 9500ix user here = works as advertised at least for this user

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    You can mitigate ticket risk without a radar detector. It's not that I don't ride fast, I do believe in having speed separation with surrounding traffic, and I'm the one going faster. Just not blatantly so. I'm not a big fan of riding with others, mostly because they generally ride slower than I like.

    I have always practiced "tactical riding". I probably pass 90% of the traffic and 10% passes me. There is a time and place to go fast. It doesn't include built-up areas, or where police potentially have cover on open stretches of road. With the current police radar and laser units that can be left turned off and then "blip" you, a radar detector doesn't help until it's too late.

    I probably get pulled over going "sensibly" fast every couple of years, but haven't gotten tickets as the officers didn't think the circumstances warranted a citation. I'm rarely dissatisfied I can't go fast enough, but haven't had a ticket in over 25 years. For me, money on a radar/laser detector would be wasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 32232 View Post
    You can mitigate ticket risk without a radar detector. It's not that I don't ride fast, I do believe in having speed separation with surrounding traffic, and I'm the one going faster. Just not blatantly so. I'm not a big fan of riding with others, mostly because they generally ride slower than I like.

    I have always practiced "tactical riding". I probably pass 90% of the traffic and 10% passes me. There is a time and place to go fast. It doesn't include built-up areas, or where police potentially have cover on open stretches of road. With the current police radar and laser units that can be left turned off and then "blip" you, a radar detector doesn't help until it's too late.

    I probably get pulled over going "sensibly" fast every couple of years, but haven't gotten tickets as the officers didn't think the circumstances warranted a citation. I'm rarely dissatisfied I can't go fast enough, but haven't had a ticket in over 25 years. For me, money on a radar/laser detector would be wasted.
    Very good synopsis of how to drive smart, Dave. Well said.

    I have been driving all sorts of two, four and six-wheeled vehicles since 1969 - I have never been issued a traffic citation - for speeding or any other offense for that matter, and it hasn't been just dumb luck. I operate responsibly and respect the laws.

    Your reference to the ability of LEO's to 'blip' a suspected speeder is spot on. Radar and laser detectors only work with lazy cops - those who leave their units on continously, flooding the airwaves with detectable radiation. Smart LEO's visually ID a hazardous violator, and then touch a button that confirms their speed faster than any human can physically react to the 'alert' that their vehicle has been electronically monitored.

    There is a robust market for radar detectors, deer whistles, lucky charms and road gremlin bells - the snake oils of our modern soceity.

    However, in the interest of lawyers and those of us who wisely hold stock in radar detector firms, don't rock the boat too much!
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