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    Thanks for that good write up. The Burgman is on my "someday, maybe" list, and what you wrote is very informative. I've never ridden either, but the 400 is the one that appeals to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 20715 View Post
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    Thanks for that good write up. The Burgman is on my "someday, maybe" list, and what you wrote is very informative. I've never ridden either, but the 400 is the one that appeals to me.
    Same here. Thanks for all the replies. Very informative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldnslow View Post
    The Suzuki Burgman has caught my eye. Any one have real life usage opinions of the 400 and the 650. Two up touring and such. Maintenance issues...so on and so forth.

    Suzuki has 0% for 60 months on these things...so I'm testing the waters.

    Yeh its Japanese and not German, but they do seem to be rather well proven, and have a somewhat cult following.
    I know a fellow GS rider here in St. Louis who has a used 650 Bergman for sale that he bought for his wife.... He's ridden it with us guys one trip down to Arkansas, and I must say, I was impressed with it.... His wife never did catch the call of the road, so it is pretty much still a new bike. Not sure how far you are from St. Louie, but I'd be glad to let him know you are looking..
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldnslow View Post
    The Suzuki Burgman has caught my eye. Any one have real life usage opinions of the 400 and the 650. Two up touring and such. Maintenance issues...so on and so forth.

    Suzuki has 0% for 60 months on these things...so I'm testing the waters.

    Yeh its Japanese and not German, but they do seem to be rather well proven, and have a somewhat cult following.
    By the way, I would not buy a new one because they have been the same for a number of years and the initial depreciation is high. The Burgman 400 is the same from 2008 through the new ones except they added ABS in 2011. The Burgman 650 is pretty much the same from around 2006. However, I would want to get a 2008 or newer Executive model because they have an adjustable windshield and ABS that is not on the standard model. I paid $3,200 for my 2008 400 last fall with 9,600 miles on it and I had located a 2008 650 Executive for $4,800 with similar miles. There are a lot of scooters around with low miles that look the same (other than annual color changes) if you keep searching. I found several , including the one I bought on Craigs List by doing a search for Burgman in nearby areas.
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    Will let you know...

    ...as we are picking one up Thursday!

    Looking forward to it even more after reading this thread!
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    Have any of you "scoot people" ridden the Aprilia 500? I have seen a few sell on ebay & they are powerful & lightweight plus have bigger tires than the Vespa's, I think? If so how'd it compare?
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    >>...as we are picking one up Thursday!<<

    And what would "Chesty" say? lol

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    >>Have any of you "scoot people" ridden the Aprilia 500?<<

    Yes, I had an Aprilia Atlantic (500) a few years ago, and it was very powerful and smooth. However, the thing you have to be careful of with Aprilia (and most Italian marques) is a spotty dealer/service network, to say nothing of parts scarcity. When it gets to the point where I'm sick of muscling my K75 around my next scooter will be a Suzuki, for the aforementioned reasons.

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    Go sit on one, I didn't find it in the least bit comfortable. YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    Have any of you "scoot people" ridden the Aprilia 500? I have seen a few sell on ebay & they are powerful & lightweight plus have bigger tires than the Vespa's, I think? If so how'd it compare?

    The Aprilla 500 is a nice scooter...the main problem is parts availability if needed. For a maxi scoost there are better choices in my opinion.

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    Yesterday I traded my 07 Burgman 650 Executive with 37K miles for a new C 650 GT. I only have a bout 110 miles on the GT so I haven't pushed it yet. SO how is the Burgman Ex? It is an incredible machine, deceivingly fast. Comfortable and no problem cruising at 80 mph two up. The electronic CVT is smooth and can be put into a power (sport) mode or simulated manual. Handling is a little clumsy at low speeds and the ECTV tends to "buck" at low speeds, takes some getting used to.

    The storage under the seat is cavernous and well planned out...unfortunate not everything else is.

    The OEM windscreen is inadequate. Way too much buffeting and back pressure. I replaced with a clearview medium with goldwing vent...somewhat better. I'm 5'11" with 30" inseam and was able to flat foot easily. Leg room was pretty good but not great. I needed 1" bar risers and still had a little bit of a reach.

    In all honesty....I loved that scooter! So why did I trade it in at 37K? The ECVT. There have been many CVT primary spline and other failures. At 24K I had the primary clutch bearing go bad. Bearing replacement cost? $3,000. Luckily I was under extended warranty so my cost was $0.

    I performed all scheduled maintenance and at 37K I wasn't trusting the trans any more. Started hearing some whining (bearing) and a few clunks in the final drive. Being out of warranty I made the decision to part with it while I could still get some cash out of it. If the trans went again I would probably part it out. This is why some people consider the 650 and exec as disposable scooters...get enough miles on it and it is not worth repairing.

    I will say that I enjoyed every mile I put on my 07 Ex but I believe I have stepped up with the C 650 GT. Standard CVTs don't scare me. I have rebuilt and modified smaller displacement scooters and I rebuild and modify Vintage Vespas. I am sure that Malossi, DR, and others will begin making aftermarket modification parts available soon.

    This is gonna be fun!

    As far as the Burgman 400s they are great scooters. If you get one just be sure it is post 07. Pre 07 models had incredibly short service intervals for things like valve adjustments.

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    I just left the Aprilia web site & while their are no dealers in KY there are many-7- in OH above me-way more than BMW, and TN & IN had one too. Do the dealers have no parts to get or just slow to get??? It is the scoot that most appeals to me when simply looking at the machine and its configuration as no matter how the others with bigger engines ride, they are shall I say long and bulky looking-sort of like the mfg's brother in law owns a plastic factory. Take no offense as we all know its a strong ,light material. Just my age & a guy that still thinks a standard MC looks the best vs space age stuff on the market. The only scoots I've ridden were 50cc-not counting my buddies Cushman Eagle yrs ago so I have zero frame of reference for a scoot that scoots. Like several of you I'm thinking of downsizing my future ride as aging takes its toll. Certainly not there yet but looking, plus scoots are fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    I just left the Aprilia web site & while their are no dealers in KY there are many-7- in OH above me-way more than BMW, and TN & IN had one too. Do the dealers have no parts to get or just slow to get??? It is the scoot that most appeals to me when simply looking at the machine and its configuration as no matter how the others with bigger engines ride, they are shall I say long and bulky looking-sort of like the mfg's brother in law owns a plastic factory. Take no offense as we all know its a strong ,light material. Just my age & a guy that still thinks a standard MC looks the best vs space age stuff on the market. The only scoots I've ridden were 50cc-not counting my buddies Cushman Eagle yrs ago so I have zero frame of reference for a scoot that scoots. Like several of you I'm thinking of downsizing my future ride as aging takes its toll. Certainly not there yet but looking, plus scoots are fun.
    Maybe you could wander down to the mountains of Virginia and ride with us again in the spring. You can ride my Burgman 400 and see how you like it. There are a lot of Suzuki dealers around and there is a good aftermarket for parts and accessories.
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    I've never ridden one, or even sat on one, but ALL the guys I've met on the road on one have seemed super happy and had a big grin on their faces.
    I've often wondered what I might be missing but a lot of things are like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osbornk View Post
    Maybe you could wander down to the mountains of Virginia and ride with us again in the spring. You can ride my Burgman 400 and see how you like it. There are a lot of Suzuki dealers around and there is a good aftermarket for parts and accessories.
    Thanks for the hospitality gesture! Actually I'm "chomping at the bit" to do just that. Not only did I not get in my Mexico ride, winter has been hanging on here. Been boiling my maple sap in the snow today then run to the shop & put some more parts on a MC, then back. We have Suzuki place ~ 20k form me but they are new owners & lean on atv's mostly. I rode their 2012 Wee-strom back in late summer & it was a nice ride but The bike had been put together by Fred Flinstone & actually was not safe in some ways-have to be a real deal to buy there. I did read some on ADV today on the Aprilia Scarebo 500 which is much the same as Piaggio 500 & several there like them a bunch but say the Italians are sluggish when you need a part for the scoots or their bikes. There's one on Ebay now that has a very informative ad from a true/rider/seller. My bikes sitting & ready to go. I'll probably stay nearer to where you guys live this time as that last motel further south is kinda shop worn!
    "If I had my life to live over, I'd dare to make more mistakes next time...I'd relax,I'd limber up... I would take fewer things seriously...take more chances... take more trips...climb more mountains...swim more rivers...eat more ice cream." Jorge Luis Borges at age 85.

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