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    07 R12R - Anyone using a non touring rear tire?

    I want to get some new rubber and it looks like the rear is a "B" rated tire which has a stiffer side wall to handle extra weight, bags etc. At least this is the case for the Michelin Pilot Road 3's which I'm getting. I'd say 90% of the time I'll be riding this bike without bags and I'm am only 160 lbs on a fat day. I was advised to get the non-B tire as it would handle better in this configuration. Before I piss off the parts guy with an unusual order, has anyone else done this?

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    Me (but I may have made the suggestion to you..) The B tire makes sense on a fully loaded RT.. not so much on an R.

    FWIW: Michelin also now is offering a "Trail" version of the Pilot Road-3 - it has a wider hard-rubber band in the center. Dunno why they called it "Trail". This might help prevent the ridges formed at the transition between the hard/soft rubber on the stock PR-3.

    More info: http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/in...ilotroad3trial - seems targeted at GS riders who ride mostly on-road, but can't see why they wouldn't work on an R12R. Reviews I found of them were pretty uniformly positive.
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    The Metzeler Z8's that came on my new R12R are pretty incredible. Smooth, predictable, good in the wet, and supposedly gets decent milage too. They actually feel sticky enough for some track action.

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    I have the Michelin Pilot Power 2, but the threes are out. Get them, they are GREAT!
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    Thanks for the advice. It looks like the Michelin "Trail" tires are slightly more narrow than stock for our bike. I just ordered a set of Pilot Road 3s. I'm going to try and mount these myself Sunday. My local club is having a shock set up tech session at Morton's. I just put on a set of Hyper Pro shocks and am looking forward to this. Stuart says I can use their tire machine while there. I've never mounted tires before but if the GS guys can do it on the side of a mountain how hard can it be in a certified shop (as long as I have adult supervision)?

    Cheers, Fletch

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ-J View Post
    I have the Michelin Pilot Power 2, but the threes are out. Get them, they are GREAT!
    + Pilot Power aka The Canyon Tire

    Great tire on the lighter sporty R1200R, ran quite a few sets, even did back to back IBA rides to Chicago from LA in two days on them, got me back home too. I was surprised since these are more like sport bike or track day tires, but did great for a long ride too. Very confidence inspiring in the twisties sticking like glue, more so than any sport touring tire IMO. Love the way the bike falls into a turn, linear and smooth.

    Just fine in the rain.







    And not bad on gravel while going over the Rockies on the Alpine loop



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    Quote Originally Posted by fletchdude View Post
    Thanks for the advice. It looks like the Michelin "Trail" tires are slightly more narrow than stock for our bike.
    Huh? They are Pilot Road 3's, with a change in rubber compound distribution. Other then that - size for size identical to the non-trail PR-3.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoreFletch
    I just ordered a set of Pilot Road 3s. I'm going to try and mount these myself Sunday. My local club is having a shock set up tech session at Morton's. I just put on a set of Hyper Pro shocks and am looking forward to this. Stuart says I can use their tire machine while there. I've never mounted tires before but if the GS guys can do it on the side of a mountain how hard can it be in a certified shop (as long as I have adult supervision)?

    Cheers, Fletch
    Jim, this is Saturday? I'll be turning my cell phone off..
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    Quote Originally Posted by fletchdude View Post
    Thanks for the advice. It looks like the Michelin "Trail" tires are slightly more narrow than stock for our bike. I just ordered a set of Pilot Road 3s. I'm going to try and mount these myself Sunday. My local club is having a shock set up tech session at Morton's. I just put on a set of Hyper Pro shocks and am looking forward to this. Stuart says I can use their tire machine while there. I've never mounted tires before but if the GS guys can do it on the side of a mountain how hard can it be in a certified shop (as long as I have adult supervision)?

    Cheers, Fletch

    It's really simple. Lube is your friend. I use a silicone spray when re-installing. I spooned on a front PR3 to the ST a few days ago and spent my usual 15 minutes on it. It took me longer to balance it and I barely finished even one beer

    Do you have someway of popping the bead? I used one of the bead popping wedges that you drive between the tire and rim and popped it off pretty quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downs View Post
    It's really simple. Lube is your friend. I use a silicone spray when re-installing. I spooned on a front PR3 to the ST a few days ago and spent my usual 15 minutes on it. It took me longer to balance it and I barely finished even one beer

    Do you have someway of popping the bead? I used one of the bead popping wedges that you drive between the tire and rim and popped it off pretty quick.
    I will be doing this at a local BMW shop that's kind enough to let us do our own maintenance so I will be using their tire changer. I have some silicone spray somewhere around the house. Thanks for the tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deilenberger View Post
    Jim, this is Saturday? I'll be turning my cell phone off..
    Don, its Sunday, you should be safe today

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    BMW Motorcycle Magazine ran a tire analysis of many "sport" tires. Three won Editor's Pick.

    The Bridgestone Battlax S20 is rated best dry and wet. The Continental SportAttack 2 won best dry (my next).

    Metzler Sportec M5 Interact is the third "for active riders" and "all-round performance".
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ-J View Post
    BMW Motorcycle Magazine ran a tire analysis of many "sport" tires. Three won Editor's Pick.

    The Bridgestone Battlax S20 is rated best dry and wet. The Continental SportAttack 2 won best dry (my next).

    Metzler Sportec M5 Interact is the third "for active riders" and "all-round performance".
    One can only wonder about what parameters were used for the selection. Feel? Wet? Dry? Both? Wear? Make me look thin? Perchance were the tire makers advertising in the issue? It's certainly the first time I've heard of the Conti SA-2 beating the Pilot Road dry or wet (even though I liked the original Conti Sport Attack, they were a bit spooky wet, and wore rather quickly into an uncomfortable profile.)

    One good thing - we're all benefiting from the competition between tire manufacturers to sell us tires.. they do just keep getting better.

    My tire priorities are: traction (wet, dry, cold, cold and wet) and wear. A distant third comes in "feel" since that changes over the life of the tire as the shape changes. They are only new until the first revolution of the wheel.. For me the PR-III works for my priorities. Dunno if it has the best traction over all conditions, but it has more then adequate traction for me, I've never managed to get it to slip except when going through oil being sprayed on my rear tire by a punctured oil-filter (in the entrance to a sharp S curve.. somehow the bike stayed up.)

    I rarely look at things like magazine tire tests since I know (from having been an editor/publisher once in my life) that advertising influences editorial. I can't remember Motorcycle Consumer News ever doing a tire comparo - but it would be interesting if they could come up with a real testing regime that would legitimize this sort of comparison (it's easy to put a bike on a dyno and compare HP, but it's not at all easy to measure traction coefficients on pavement under varying environmental conditions.) If you remember all the popular moto magazines from the 70's (when I used to really pore over these) - "The XYZ500-MKIII is the best in it's class!" followed by a full page ad for the XYZ500, which was in the class of advertising in this issue..

    YMMV, and I think we've gotten WAY off-topic here..
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    They used an R1200R and the article lays down the parameters they used. I believe the article, having read it, but you can believe what you want.

    They list touring tires as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ-J View Post
    They used an R1200R and the article lays down the parameters they used. I believe the article, having read it,
    I thought they did a good job on the article.
    Don should have read the article before bashing the magazine.
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    You know, it's really easy to go to NAPA and get some REAL tire mounting lube.

    Silicone spray, WD-40, etc., are wrong for this application.
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