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    Husqvarna sales had bottomed out. From 13,511 the first year of BMW ownership they slipped to 13052, 12066 and finally 9286 in 2011. The 2012 sales of 10751 was an increase that included BMW engined based but new to Husky models that accounted for 3200+ units of that total.

    BMW sales were at new record levels also. When you take out the new scooter sales and some of the other chain driven models to get a similar product lineup it takes them back to sales figures of around a decade or so ago. Overall I still like BMW build quality, I just don't need a shaft drive to experience it anymore with models that interest me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na1g View Post
    If they were interested in a line of pure dirt models they could have developed them in-house.
    The G450 and the G650 "X" series (X-moto, X-country, and X-challenge: 2006-2009) didn't do all that great.

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    The G450 was short lived in the BMW then moved to Husqvarna. They sell and race it now. The G series has had its ups and downs never having done well in the US market. It has done well in other countries. The strength of the Spanish (or lack of) and Italian markets have had more to do with it than anything else from what I can tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mika View Post
    I too wish the BMW QC was mythical in its perfection but we have to get a grip guys. I read the recall feeds for three countries every day. Yes BMW Motorrad shows up but I am far more shocked and concerned that Bluebird and other school bus company show up day after day week after week year after year. I put my daughters on their products and they put their children on them now. While I can not predict if or when my FD will melt down or other problems crop up; with regular inspection and maintenance I can anticipate and prepare for problems. Nine months out of the year kids get on buses with no warning, no ATGATT and now no Twinkies. The FD/fuel strip problem seems something to prepare for but come guys - no Twinkies on a bus - we are raising a generation of Evil Knievals.

    BUT, Bluebird owns up to their QC concerns...therein lies the difference. As far as I understand from BMW, any error in compliance, functionality or application of BMW products is caused by, but not limited to one or any combination of the following: Air, Gasoline, Electricity, Chemicals and errors on the part of final consumers. Also, the country in which that person lives due to its substandard resources (those listed above). BMW tends to stand behind its unwritten mission statement, "We know nothing, see nothing and hear nothing when it comes to our producut, once delivered to final consumer." I believe they got the first part from another very well known German, Sgt. Schultz of Hogan's Heros.
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    Perhaps we are both wrong, or at least not interpreting what we are seeing completely. At the risk of POing everyone...

    We all agree there are problems with BMW's final drive. Based on the individual stories reported there are probably more than one issue that make up the problem. BMW agrees, I will argue, because it has tried various things over the years to address things. Changes in bearings, seemingly small changes in various parts etc.

    We all take part in a conspiracy of silence about final drive problems. Yes we rant endlessly online, at meetings with fellow riders, heck we talk about it down at the Fly Over Land coffee shop. Yet when and where the talk can be something more than a rant we all are silent. BMW tinkers with solutions to the issue but remains silent in the end to protect itself form lawsuits and their bottom line on advice of council. (How many of riders have made the same decisions in their businesses?) An investigation by the NHTSB, one of the first steps which would lead to a recall, reportedly had four - count them 4 - complaints filed. As a result the NHTSB remains silent because it does not have the data to do their job which they regularly demonstrate they are willing to do. Motorcycling associations remain silent in the end choosing not to become involved in monitoring and reporting while at the same time allowing forums for riders to discuss the problem, rant and exchange information on shade tree mechanic issues related to the problems.

    All of the same conditions apply to the school bus industry. The difference there is not the number of problems, though the number does appall me in many ways, but the culture of reporting. For a variety of reasons the culture of the bus industry reinforces reporting of problems to the NHTSB and they do their job which results in regular recalls.

    NHTSB is one tool in the tool box to deal with this issue. It may not be the best tool. Based on the anecdotal evidence of the LT investigation it is a tool that is not being pulled out of the box and used by very many. Riders are participating in the conspiracy of silence as a result.

    There are things that groups like this could do in relation to the NHTSB, Transport Canada, VOSA, EU/ca etc that do not turn them into political activists or place them in purely adversarial relationships with the MotherShip. The thing is all of the rider organizations I can think of, for any marque, in the position to do this the membership has chosen to remain inactive. Rant - yes. Do the leg work to establish a reporting and monitoring process that breaks the conspiracy of silence - no.

    Just saying...sorry...I was the rules of the conspiracy say I am suppose to be silent...
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    Actually there is a site that was documenting all the final drive failures. I'm not sure what ever became of it.
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    Yes there was/is a sight listing final drive failures. I too have lost track of it. My point is more that BMW shaft drive owners and related associations have not effectively banded together and effectively used the tools such as the NHTSA recall process. Law suites will make money for my friends in the legal world. How effectively that would deal with the problem, in my mind anyway, is very much in doubt. For my time and money constructively learning, using and monitoring the various national systems like NHTSA, Transport Canada, VOSA and the EU would have done more to get some real action on the FD issue and perhaps even more importantly on going issues with motorcycles in general.

    Until something like that happens I will stockpile parts and skills to repair my Roadster, consider bikes like Husqvarna's Nuda as its replacement and hope the manufacturing gawds don't pull the plug on the model I choose.
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    The site went away. It was not a very good site. Issues were self reported. That oilhead and big hole hexhead drives were mixed together. There were duplication entries. A not insignificant percentage of big hole drive "failures" was a leaky seal. Etc. Before the site went away there were about 250 reported "failures". That's 250 reported failures covering over 10 years of BMW motorrad output. Mika, your conspiracy of silence might be correct!

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