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    I suspect most county coroners are non- physicians. I also suspect that a lot of them are lucky they aren't bagging groceries.
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    In New York there were 5,336 motorcycle accidents with 168 fatalities in 2011. It is estimated that 1/2 the non-fatal accidents are never reported.

    Of the fatalities (168 total):
    Unsafe speed: 71
    Left-hand turn: 37
    Bored/distracted: 20
    Inexperience: 17
    Alcohol: 16 Illegal drug use: 1

    They have stats on helmets use too, but NYS is a mandatory helmet use state. Never-the-less, there were 9 fatalities without helmets. The rest were with helmets. Worthless for the OP, but notable.

    Interesting stat:
    1 accident due to hand-held cell phone usage.
    5 accidents due to falling asleep.
    0 accidents due to texting
    0 accidents due to GPS

    You can read the extensive statistics on 2011 motorcycle accidents in New York here: http://www.dmv.ny.gov/Statistics/201...ashSummary.pdf

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    head trauma

    I am not at all scared of dying, but my fear is brain injury. Wearing a helmet is no guarantee you will survive a crash, but a simple fall from a ladder, bicycle, or just falling off your feet and a severe blow to the head could occur and the result could be brain damage, paralysis, or death. It's your brain, but if you scramble it your family will suffer as long as you live. Please wear a helmet for their sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f14rio View Post
    ...90% of all motor vehicle accidents occur within 10 miles of home. that's why its critical to get as far away from home as fast as possible...
    This makes sense - go fast and stay away from home for your safety.

    Quote Originally Posted by dwestly View Post
    DOT studies say about 27 percent of motorcycle operators killed in crashes were speeding.
    So 73% of fatal accidents occurred with a motorcycle traveling at or below the speed limit. That means I'm 2.7 times less likely to be killed in a motorcycle crash if I speed, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by dwestly View Post
    The most common location for crashes involving a motorcycle and another motor vehicle (4 or more wheels) is at intersections. The usual scenario is the other vehicle turning left into the motorcyclist's right-of-way.
    So by going faster, other vehicles have less time to do something stupid in front of me. I can buy this; makes sense for deer and small children too.

    Thanks for the positive reinforcement of my beliefs. Our safety is in our speed.

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    To read the original article click here

    This is the original quote in the article:
    "The pathology literature will say that really the helmet only protects you up to about 30 mph in fairly low-speed crashes,'' he said. "Over that, generally, the overall body injuries such as a broken neck, broken back and fractures are likely to be severe enough to cause the death without head injury. That's another decision that the rider has to make. If you're driving on a motorcycle at 70 mph, a helmet is not going to do you a bit of good. It is what it is. If you're much over 30 mph, then there's really no safety equipment that's going to protect you.''
    He was quoting Pathology literature. The point that the pathology literature was trying to make is that once over 30mph, death can come from difference sources of the body. But, this particular pathologist didn't understand the point, or didn't articulate it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 23217 View Post
    To read the original article click here

    This is the original quote in the article:


    He was quoting Pathology literature. The point that the pathology literature was trying to make is that once over 30mph, death can come from difference sources of the body. But, this particular pathologist didn't understand the point, or didn't articulate it well.
    I am the OP. Earlier in this thread some members said I stated his POV out of context. I disagree. While he does quote Pathology literature, it's my belief that that the last sentence he states is his: "If you're much over 30 mph, then there's really NO (emphasis mine) safety equipment that's going to protect you"

    I fail to see how how crystal clear (and wrong) his opinion is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HRbiker View Post
    I am the OP. Earlier in this thread some members said I stated his POV out of context. I disagree. While he does quote Pathology literature, it's my belief that that the last sentence he states is his: "If you're much over 30 mph, then there's really NO (emphasis mine) safety equipment that's going to protect you"

    I fail to see how how crystal clear (and wrong) his opinion is.
    That was my comment. i stand by me reading of it- he's not saying "don't wear a helmet" (which is what it sounded like you were implying that he was implying) rather, he's saying "you're toast regardless of what you have on."

    unfortunately, some may take his statement as gospel truth, and decide that speedos are teh way to go.

    (btw- care to translate "I fail to see how how crystal clear (and wrong) his opinion is"... i struggled trying to make sense of it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerfish1100 View Post
    That was my comment. i stand by me reading of it- he's not saying "don't wear a helmet" (which is what it sounded like you were implying that he was implying) rather, he's saying "you're toast regardless of what you have on."

    unfortunately, some may take his statement as gospel truth, and decide that speedos are teh way to go.

    (btw- care to translate "I fail to see how how crystal clear (and wrong) his opinion is"... i struggled trying to make sense of it)
    I thought his comment was clear....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acejones View Post
    This begs the question; at what speed do most motorcycle accidents happen ?
    Well over 100% of all motorcycle accidents conclude at a speed of zero miles per hour or less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBeemer View Post
    Well over 100% of all motorcycle accidents conclude at a speed of zero miles per hour or less.
    Probably not less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acejones View Post
    Probably not less.
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    30 mph crash

    In 1994 I hit a light pole doing about 40 MPH, I hit it head on in an ama scantioned event,wearing helmet,boots,chest protector,globes etc I raced dirt track for 20 years and never rode street bikes. I spent months in the hospital and took about three years before I could walk on my own I ended up with broken plevis,ribs,collar bones and the accident cracked my bell helmet but the only brain damage I have is I would still rather ride my BMW than drive a car! So in closing I've just got to say put a helmet on before you get on your bike there is no formula that any one can give you but I'm living proof that a helmet saves lives

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    This is from a 50 MPH over the front fairing get off. Tell me a helmet doesn't matter. I was wearing full riding gear.
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