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    Helmets won't save you in 30+ MPH crashes

    Erie County (PA) Coroner Lyell Cook recently stated that if you're involved in a crash over that speed, no safety equipment will save you, including helmets.

    Geez, I think I've had friends who were going 20 MPH on bicycles and crashed and were OK.

    What's even more troubling is since PA doesn't require helmets many riders may elect to have none of the gear, all the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by HRbiker View Post
    Erie County (PA) Coroner Lyell Cook recently stated that if you're involved in a crash over that speed, no safety equipment will save you, including helmets.

    Geez, I think I've had friends who were going 20 MPH on bicycles and crashed and were OK.

    What's even more troubling is since PA doesn't require helmets many riders may elect to have none of the gear, all the time
    Coroner is an elected position. In this case, the coroner was formerly a mortician.

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    What's the reference for that idiot's statement? I would like to set the record straight...
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    I hit a deer at over 60 Km/h (40mph) and while I did not get away without injury, my gear did protect me well. The suit, gloves and hemet were significantly damaged but saved me from much worse injuries. This fellow does not know what he's talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwestly View Post
    What's the reference for that idiot's statement? I would like to set the record straight...
    It was an article on erie.com about the increase of motorcycle fatalities in 2012 in his Eric County
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    I doubt he is any expert on crashes in general and motorcycle crashes in particular.
    What I would think he means is a blunt 30 mph force, he is probably right, but there are so many variables in a crash in the real world, glancing blows off objects and pavement for example, where even if you are doing a much higher speeds than 30, doesn't equal a force of 30mph "head on into a brick wall". They got some ABATE-member coroner there?
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    Gee, that must be the reason that we see SO many deaths in AMA, MotoGP, MRA and all the other levels of racing where helmet use is required.

    what a maroon. unfortunately, too many may actually take his word as gospel.
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    One article where Mr Cook doesn't comment much on helmets, but is quoted:
    http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...WS02/309109889

    One where he is quoted saying helmets "probably" don't help at over 30mph:
    http://www.mymotorcycleaccidentattor...talities.shtml

    Here is a brilliant quote from him:
    "A very good portion of these accidents tend to be motorcycles versus vehicles,'' Cook said.
    Ummmmm..........

    From this article:
    http://www.goerie.com/article/201210...County-in-2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by HRbiker View Post
    Erie County (PA) Coroner Lyell Cook recently stated that if you're involved in a crash over that speed, no safety equipment will save you, including helmets.

    Geez, I think I've had friends who were going 20 MPH on bicycles and crashed and were OK.

    What's even more troubling is since PA doesn't require helmets many riders may elect to have none of the gear, all the time
    I've watched numerous motorcycle racers walk away from crashes at three times that speed at Road America, where I'm on staff as an instructor.

    Ignore him and move on.
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    The liberal media? Let us guess - hard rightwing media has more people that have actually fallen on their heads?

    Seriously, it would seem that helmet issues aren't exactly a political discussion.
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    Lyell Cook is on Facebook if anyone wants to tell him that he's a bit off base. I think I will send him a note and direct him to this thread.
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    So that's where zombies come from...

    A friend of mine had a crash on the BRP at around 40 mph. He's still up walking around among the rest of us living people. I guess my friend doesn't know he is supposed to be dead.

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    Whether you survive in a motorcycle crash or a motor vehicle crash depends on the circumstances of the crash. As an overall percentage that I've read about, the difference in the actual survival rate for motorcycle crashes where the riders were wearing a helmet and not wearing a helmet is actually quite low, in the area of 5 or 6%.

    There is no doubt in a lot of crashes where the motorcyclist doesn't hit anything or nothing hits him/her then the ATGATT is going to make a big difference in the minor injuries area, but can be insignificant in major trauma crashes. An example is a friend of mine left the road on her R1200R. She was wearing full gear including full face helmet. She survived the crash but ended up with a broken back. Her gear protected her from the road rash etc., but had no bearing with her impact with the ground.

    Face it if you tangle with car or leave the road at even legal speed limits your chances of surviving are not good. ATGATT may help but it can't guarantee survival.

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    I feel safer with protective gear

    How's that for scientific proof
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