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    wisdom from a harley forum

    Dont assume they dont see you. Assume they see you clearly and are trying to kill you.
    "Enemy fighters at 2 o'clock!...Roger, What should i do until then?"

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    Back in the 70s I had to go thru a Marine Corps defensive riding course (many hours spread over most of a month) just to get my bike registered on base. I still remember the cigar-chewing Gunny (as far as I know he never lit the thing) bellowing, "Them roads is full o' mass murderers and they's all gunnin' for YOU!"

    Over the years that's saved my skin a couple of times.

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    I ride paranoid, I assume everyone is out to get me.
    'You can say what you want about the South, but I almost never hear of anyone wanting to retire to the North.

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    No paranoia here.
    I ride with full confidence in my ability to see everything and everyone.
    Except for those pesky deer that don't obey the warning signs.
    It's a tough job but somebody's gotta do it.

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    Except for those pesky deer that don't obey the warning signs.
    The warning signs are for you. The deer are just crossing at their designated crossing point. Now if you hit one away from their crossing sign it is then their fault.
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    Last edited by f14rio; 11-13-2012 at 05:30 PM.
    "Enemy fighters at 2 o'clock!...Roger, What should i do until then?"

    2010 r1200r, 2009 harley crossbones, 2008 triumph/sidecar, 1970 norton commando 750

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    Quote Originally Posted by f14rio View Post
    Dont assume they dont see you. Assume they see you clearly and are trying to kill you.
    Good advice.

    On a few occasions when I've had the right of way, I've had drivers look right at me, smile and cut me off.
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    I think it is sometimes a road bully. When I ride my bike people in little cars (but bigger than me) deliberately take my space. If I am in our little car (Saturn) folks in bigger cars sometimes take my space. If I am in our Ford Explorer then F250s with cow catchers sometimes crowd me, but little cars don't.
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    Sorry to hear this.

    What was his level of rider training? When I hear these stories, I think "no training."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I think it is sometimes a road bully. When I ride my bike people in little cars (but bigger than me) deliberately take my space. If I am in our little car (Saturn) folks in bigger cars sometimes take my space. If I am in our Ford Explorer then F250s with cow catchers sometimes crowd me, but little cars don't.
    It's obvious that people show their personalities both on & off the road. I feel there are some that may be sort of "meek" when not behind the wheel & take on another persona on road-perhaps a Jeckle & Hyde sort of phenomena? The taxi drivers in Mexican cities are interesting type drivers, pushy & charging at times while also mostly safe, courteous & willing to advise you. I have had them try to "encourage" me to split lanes in town with almost a nudge.
    Riding last Sunday, my road came toward an off ramp with a stop sign.As I watched the large SUV converging (potentially)into my path & at a speed not indicating they would stop, I chose to lay into my brakes & when the SUV braked hard @ the stop sign & lurched to a stop I gave them a pointed index finger(no, not the other kind) and a few miles down the road as the same gal pulled up to a red lt in a small town. I looked over toward her & got a smile. meaning she loves me, or she doesn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f14rio View Post
    Dont assume they dont see you. Assume they see you clearly and are trying to kill you.
    More often, they "see" you, but their brain doesn't "perceive" you. The problem is that it takes more than eyes to see: the brain has to process the signals from the eyes and do it correctly every time to ensure you are actually noticed, actually "seen."

    That's why I wear a white helmet and hi-viz and am always on guard. Even that is no guarantee I'll arrive safely every time.

    Harry
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    The "pipes" dont help so much on MOST BMW's. On some sport bikes, and the
    V twin's it has some effect on overtake/riding behind & abeam. But since that
    also depends on some other factors, even the noise can make you feel safer than
    you may really be. But; yet another tool for some.

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    If they're trying to kill you, then your bright yellow jacket/helmet and your 14 lights and your noise just make it easier for them to spot you.

    It's the equipment between your ears that will save you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f14rio View Post
    Dont assume they dont see you. Assume they see you clearly and are trying to kill you.
    Interesting. I first posted that on the IBMWR list about 20 years ago.. the extension of it is - "always plan your out." It's worked for me many many times in the past 20 years.
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    An "out"

    Quote Originally Posted by deilenberger View Post
    Interesting. I first posted that on the IBMWR list about 20 years ago.. the extension of it is - "always plan your out." It's worked for me many many times in the past 20 years.
    I took the classroom MSF class on spotting hazards this past Sunday and I kept seeing "outs" where the instructor insisted there were none.
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