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    Dealer mount, but no balance?

    Okay, I normally do my own work on the airheads, but I really hate dealing with tires...

    Thought I would save some frustration, so I took the wheels and tires to my local dealer (wheels were off the bikes). They did a fine job mounting all the tires, but I'm nearly 100% sure they didn't balance them!

    Reason: all the old weights are still in the same spots, and the R100S front wheel bounces like mad at about 90 mph. It certainly didn't do that before with the old tires.

    When I noticed the old weights, I thought they might've used some high-tech balancing method (beads?) but now I think they just didn't balance them at all.

    I can balance them myself, and that's what I'm going to do. Thought I was saving myself some time, but this is not doing much to help my phobia about not doing the work myself. I guess I didn't specifically ask for a balance, but figured that was part of the process.

    Just seems odd, has anyone else had this experience with a BMW dealer? A mount with no balance? Am I missing something? Is it because I just brought the wheels in, not the bikes? I don't see why that would make a difference, but maybe it does...

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    I routinely bring just wheels in...I think balancing is a given. I specifically say not to balance given that I'll do it myself. I'd call and ask what your bill covered, then go from there.
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    I have always changed my tires the hard way, with spoons on the floor of my garage. I have never had my tires balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James.A View Post
    I have always changed my tires the hard way, with spoons on the floor of my garage. I have never had my tires balanced.
    I have always done the same thing until I had a pair installed on the wheels of my CLC a couple of years ago. The tires were so large, I didn't attempt it. However, the Honda dealer couldn't find their adapter to balance them so I have never had a tire balanced and I have never had a problem in the last 35-40 years. However, I seldom exceed 80.
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    You should take them back. It's hard to imagine how the tech missed doing this, unless he was interrupted in the middle of the process.

    That said, there are a number of reasonably priced static balancers out there. I use the Marc Parnes unit, but I wouldn't hesitate to get the one from Harbor Freight

    http://www.harborfreight.com/motorcy...and-98488.html

    It's easier and quicker than you might think.
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    Take the weights off and use Dyna Beads if the dealer will not correct the problem.
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    Yes Dyna beads work.
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    Before you go to Dynabeads, closely inspect both sides of the tire where it meets the rim. There should be a telltale circle in the rubber right at the rim. If the tire is not fully seated on both sides of the rim, you'll find a section of the circle tucked into the rim. A not-fully-seated tire can give that kind of "thump thump thump" imbalance feeling.
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    Thanks for all the advice - much appreciated!

    I will start by checking the seat, since that makes sense to me too, and go from there. I'd rather correct the issue myself - if possible - anyway...

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    Dealer mount but no balance

    I quit balancing my Metzler's years ago. Just put the red dot that is on the tire next to the valve stem.

    I made the mistake of taking my bike to the dealer and they had the red dot opposite the valve stem and a whole bunch of weights on the tire. They didn't know about the red dot.

    Bike rode terrible. Took it back they made it good. You can find out about this on Metzeler's website. I would imagine that other tire manufacturers use a similar system.

    I have a 78 BMW R/80 that I bought new. I quit having flats when I started using Metzler Marathon ME88's and 880's. I always get about 12,000 miles out of the rear tires and the fronts I have never worn out. They will have 20,000 plus miles on them and I get rid of them when they are 6 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easter85 View Post
    I quit balancing my Metzler's years ago. Just put the red dot that is on the tire next to the valve stem.

    I made the mistake of taking my bike to the dealer and they had the red dot opposite the valve stem and a whole bunch of weights on the tire. They didn't know about the red dot.
    Some tires do not come with a paint spot because manufacturing tolerances are good enough that the marking is no longer needed. I think Michelin is in this category. Beyond that, there is a lot of lore about paint spots and markings on wheel rims and where the valve hole is drilled.

    It is best to consult the product websites (tire manufacturer and vehicle manufacturer) and avoid forums as sources of accurate info.
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    I have never balanced my '78's tires and always changed the tires myself. I found the stubby tire tools helped make the chore easier (http://www.stubbytiretools.com/) and recently bought a motion pro bead buddy. I haven't used the bead buddy yet, but expect it to work as advertised. This is for tube tires with spoke wire wheels.

    The red dot on the tire is the light spot marked by the factory and goes at the valve stem. Even though changing the tire is a chore, it makes me much more comfortable the tube and tire are installed correctly. I tend to heed the 80 mph maximum speed warnings on Krauser bags so higher speeds may cause noticeable vibration. Once upon a time, the bike was operated at maximum speed (which is only 105 mph) without balanced tires. It certainly will not hurt to balance the tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommcgee View Post
    Some tires do not come with a paint spot because manufacturing tolerances are good enough that the marking is no longer needed. ...
    The Avon Road Riders I put on my RS did not have any dots. At least I couldn't find any.
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    Putting the dot at the valve stem is a good general rule, but not infallible. If you do your own balancing, you should check the balance of a wheel with the tire off. Most of those I've checked are not at the valve stem -- usually within a few inches, but still off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccolwell View Post
    Putting the dot at the valve stem is a good general rule, but not infallible. If you do your own balancing, you should check the balance of a wheel with the tire off. Most of those I've checked are not at the valve stem -- usually within a few inches, but still off.
    +1 -- made considerably worse by the weight of a tire pressure monitoring sensor. I've yet to find a TPS-equipped wheel that didn't need more weight than usual opposite the TPM sensor (i.e., the rims are not cast to be out of balance in order to counteract the TPM sensor's weight).
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