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    To some extent I want to intentionally hijack this thread with a modest proposal. A couple of weeks ago some friends and I were passing through the Atlanta airport and stopped in a restaurant to grab a bite to eat before we boarded. There was a group of 7 or 8 young sailors in uniform at a nearby booth. We quietly and anonymously asked their waitress to bring us their check. They finished their meal and were simply told the bill had been taken care of. As those of us (whether veterans ourselves or not) who have been financially blessed encounter our active duty servicemen along the way, we can thank them through our actions without a word and not just on Veteran's Day.

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    If you are a Veteran and have never been issued a heartfelt thank you face to face then you have never met me or my wife. I always have a handshake and a thank you for a Veteran. My wife, well let's just say you better be ready for a hug and getting roped into a two hour conversation. Moot, we have pulled the meal thing a few times ourselves. We do it because we care and I guess because we hope someone does it for our son. I know that caring for our military is the "in" thing to do right now and sometimes it does smack of political correctness. I'm not interested in being part of the "in" crowd and anyone who knows me will tell you I am about as far from politically correct as you are likely to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommcgee View Post
    This came from the net:

    Sentences like "I would encourage all citizens to thank the veteran for their service" are part of the problem. A small step in de-glorifying war is to stop using "service" as a synonym for the military. The words we use are critical to our thoughts, which direct our actions.

    Here's a simple non-invasive way to help those with trauma and everyone - use the word "military" in place of "service". I got tired of people saying "thank you for your service". I give them my card titled "Please Don't Thank Me For My Service". It goes on - "I was in the military, not the "service". Service is doing something good. Service is what the person does who fixes your car. When the word "service" is applied to the military, it helps to justify violence as a method of conflict resolution. Like "defending our freedom" or "bringing democracy", the word "service" is used to lower the barriers of aggression. The military solution to conflict is death and destruction. That's not service. Call it what it is - the military."

    Posted by ARNY STIEBER on Oct 21st, 2012
    Actually, I suggest you shouldn't quibble about the offer of appreciation. As a 22 year veteran (w/4 combat tours), I am always happy to accept a gesture of appreciation for my military "service", regardless of how it is phrased. As long as the offeror is sincere in their offer and understands the sacrifice our veterans have made, why does it matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moot View Post
    To some extent I want to intentionally hijack this thread with a modest proposal. A couple of weeks ago some friends and I were passing through the Atlanta airport and stopped in a restaurant to grab a bite to eat before we boarded. There was a group of 7 or 8 young sailors in uniform at a nearby booth. We quietly and anonymously asked their waitress to bring us their check. They finished their meal and were simply told the bill had been taken care of. As those of us (whether veterans ourselves or not) who have been financially blessed encounter our active duty servicemen along the way, we can thank them through our actions without a word and not just on Veteran's Day.
    Bravo...and thanks from another vet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDad View Post
    My son has twelve years in the "military" and plans on staying in. He has been through four trips to the Middle East, both Iraq and Afghanistan. He has a wife and two boys that he goes for long periods without seeing. I wasn't in the military; I have no idea what it gives or takes away from a person. I do know how hard it can be on a man or woman and their families to be separated for long periods especially when the man or woman is in a very dangerous situation. Yes this is the life he has chosen, it wasn't forced on him. On the other hand I have come to realize that all who are or have been in the military have dealt with these and other issues as well. It is for this reason that I offer my thanks. My thanks are sincere. I had no intention of starting such a debate and I apologize for any offense. Trust me, it won't happen again here or anywhere else.
    1 - You have nothing to apologize for NavyDad.

    2 - I appreciate your son's service and his family's sacrifice and hope he stays safe.

    3 - I too served and accept your thanks in the spirit in which it was given.
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    Our church riding group asked our local VA hospital what our Vets could use, and were given a list of basic toiletry needs. Not sure why our federal government isn't providing body wash and tooth paste to the heroes who have served each and every one of us, but it seems that is what they need. We put the list out and collected a couple hundred pounds of needed items, then borrowed a Sprinter Van from the local Honda shop (our local BMW dealership isn't interested in anything we have going on) and took a trip to the "VA" to deliver the toiletries. We got to thank a number of our servicemen and women in person, and hear about where they served.

    I chose college over the military, as due to color blindness, the Army couldn't be sure I'd make it into flight school, whereas a private college was happy to take my money before telling me I'd be restricted from night flight and never make it as a commercial pilot. I've spent my career in residential construction, while others have been on the front line protecting our freedoms. I am thankful to those of you who have served our country, whether you saw military action over seas or have been Stateside your whole career. My heart goes out to the parents who have watched their sons and daughters deployed, not knowing when/if they will return. My kids are now 22, 20 and 18. I can't imagine sending them off to the Middle East, not knowing what their fate would be. I just don't think it is worth it. I am honored that so many volunteer to take the fight there, so that it doesn't end up here.

    Happy Veterans Day to all who have served, I appreciate your service and sacrifice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommcgee View Post
    Those weren't my words, just posted them to illustrate that a whole bunch of us don't want thanks and the reasons are many. Like several others here, the thanks we got from our own countrymen after Vietnam was verbal abuse and more. That was the time a kind word would have been useful. 40+ years later I'll be gracious if someone says thanks to my face, but no one ever has.
    You know, I can respect a service members right, and desire, to decline any thanks
    given them for the time served in uniform. Many that have served are of the mindset that praise or thanks is unwarranted for just doing their job. Some disagree with the politics that forced them to don the uniform to begin with, and this can be understood. Others may be morally opposed to the type of actions they may be forced to complete while serving our country. This too, is understandable I also understand the reasons to decline are variable and numerous as grains in a fist full of sand.

    Voicing gratitude to our service members may be politically correct, but it could be signs of a decline towards the verbal abuse that Tom, and others have experienced in the past. Personally, the few verbal comments aimed at me always left me curious as to why the abuser would say something like that.

    I like to think that showing gratitude towards others shows a moral and/or spiritual growth of a persons heart. It could at least mean our country is showing a little more wisdom and respect than just a few years ago.

    Tell you what, Tom, if you ever make it out here to the wine country in Northern California, give me a call. We can ride up and tour the vineyards and maybe even enjoy a great meal. Knowing your feelings, I won't say thank you for your service, but please know my offer to ride with you is my way of saying thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARGENT BRICK View Post
    Personally, the few verbal comments aimed at me always left me curious as to why the abuser would say something like that.
    Back in the day, when there was a draft and college / apprentice program deferments, some misguided people on the anti-draft side felt that opposing the choices the volunteers / draftees was somehow a show of morality. In my opinion, it was just misguided rationalization by young people who were desperate to avoid the war. Their actions were wrong.

    As my friend Bob the Master plumber said,

    ".......my Dad was a plumber and joined the Marines in WW2. I knew I was going to be a plumber when I was in high school and no-one in my family went to college. College was for #####, not real men. I was happy to join the Marines, just like Dad. Vietnam was really bad and I lost part of my chin, cheek and neck, but I'm proud of what I did.

    I wish it never happened and I know I was really stupid as a kid."

    Bob died a few years ago from a bacterial infection in the chest. He lived a life and was lucky enough to be able to view the full-circle of the experience. He had few regrets, because he understood that many of our choices are due to fate and beyond our control. He was happy with the path he had traveled.

    Best wishes to us all and thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moot View Post
    To some extent I want to intentionally hijack this thread with a modest proposal. A couple of weeks ago some friends and I were passing through the Atlanta airport and stopped in a restaurant to grab a bite to eat before we boarded. There was a group of 7 or 8 young sailors in uniform at a nearby booth. We quietly and anonymously asked their waitress to bring us their check. They finished their meal and were simply told the bill had been taken care of. As those of us (whether veterans ourselves or not) who have been financially blessed encounter our active duty servicemen along the way, we can thank them through our actions without a word and not just on Veteran's Day.
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    Somebody thanked me to my face this morning. First time. 42 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwald View Post
    Outstanding!

    Understands that "Walking the Walk" is what earns credibility.
    NO Kevin and Moot........thread count and posting petty arguments are what give credibility on here. Surely not pride in our country and those that brought it here by giving their lives, honor, and future.

    For me, that is what Veterans Day, formerly known as Armistice Day should be about. But then again, many of those vets who did bring us here to flaunt the right to say what we think, are long gone and buried.

    God bless OUR country.........Dennis

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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    Back in the day, when there was a draft and college / apprentice program deferments, some misguided people on the anti-draft side felt that opposing the choices the volunteers / draftees was somehow a show of morality. In my opinion, it was just misguided rationalization by young people who were desperate to avoid the war. Their actions were wrong.
    Yeah, I remember all of that stuff. Enlisted shortly there after. It caused family problems like crazy when I told my parents I wanted to sign up. Lost some friendships within hours of my enlistment too.

    My first taste of verbal abuse while I was in uniform was more of a smell than a taste. I recall two of my fellow medics came back from getting a bite to eat and told us that a young mother pointed at them and said to her child that the two men in uniform were baby killers. My personal experiences started shortly after that. Looking back, I can see it was a way for people to voice displeasure about the political policies that had been recently in place, but considering we not shipping troops to southeast Asia anymore, it did not make any sense.

    I don't understand how anyone can be against those who serve our great country, and yet, I still see it happening today. Being against our politicians and foreign policies, I can understand that, but not against the troops. I just don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommcgee View Post
    Somebody thanked me to my face this morning. First time. 42 years.
    How did it feel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARGENT BRICK View Post
    Yeah, I remember all of that stuff. Enlisted shortly there after. It caused family problems like crazy when I told my parents I wanted to sign up. Lost some friendships within hours of my enlistment too.

    My first taste of verbal abuse while I was in uniform was more of a smell than a taste. I recall two of my fellow medics came back from getting a bite to eat and told us that a young mother pointed at them and said to her child that the two men in uniform were baby killers. My personal experiences started shortly after that. Looking back, I can see it was a way for people to voice displeasure about the political policies that had been recently in place, but considering we not shipping troops to southeast Asia anymore, it did not make any sense.

    I don't understand how anyone can be against those who serve our great country, and yet, I still see it happening today. Being against our politicians and foreign policies, I can understand that, but not against the troops. I just don't get it.
    Who are these people that are against the folks in the mlitary? Are there actually hostile actions and comments? Could you describe the interactions?

    I don't mean to pry, but I work in the DoD world near a very large University.....with lots of academic - uniformed interaction. Yes, it is two different career paths, but I don't see hostility.
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