View Poll Results: Have you had at least ONE fuel strip fail?

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  • YES - 2005 model year

    28 5.31%
  • YES - 2006 model year

    19 3.61%
  • YES - 2007 model year

    61 11.57%
  • YES - 2008 model year

    73 13.85%
  • YES - 2009 model year

    97 18.41%
  • YES - 2010 model year

    40 7.59%
  • YES - 2011 model year (R1200R only I think..)

    17 3.23%
  • YES - Multiple fuel strip failures - please note model/year in a comment

    43 8.16%
  • NO - fuel strip failure. Please note year/model in a comment

    187 35.48%
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    No failure. '09 R1200RT
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    R1200R 2007 25K miles no failure
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    '07 RT no problem

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    Of course this poll only shows a very small group of riders who do indeed take the time to reply and belong to MOA. Sadley not all owners belong. In fact a lot do not. BMW will not release any of their numbers for a true look at this problem. I have called BMWNA for this information and was stonewalled.

    Ater installing number 7 I am naturally concerned. I was told there are no plans to retrofit or solve this problem for previous bikes.

    Release of the data by BMWNA would give all a true picture of how big this is or how minor it is. Due to the refusal to release this information I would guess the first option.

    Would be nice to know how many MOA members are riding R1200RT's dating from 2005 to 2011. This would give the poll more validation and meaning. Using the poll it appears that about 50% have had strip failures or multiple failures such as myself. That is an overwhelming percentage. DOT gets involved with safety items at +10% as a comparison.

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    Actually Jack, your conclusion that there is a 50% failure is not correct.
    I have been looking at the poll and it does skew the result a bit the way it is laid out.

    All the once with multiple failures, vote multiple times.
    Once for their year model and then again for "multiple failure" part of the poll.
    If I was in your situation, I would be just as angry and frustrated with every right to be so.
    I do have to wonder thought that the once having such a high failure rate, where others might have had one only, are actually looking at issues with their dealer/mechanics not being able to install these properly. Rather then the strips themselves.

    It does show a high failure rate between 2007 ~ 2009 and then drops off sharply again.
    So there appears to be far less problems after 2009 again and if that is the case, you would have to assume some improvements have been done on those strips.
    So why are yours and some of the others still failing with the newer strips?

    I haven't voted as I purchased mine 2nd hand and I do not have the full history of the bike, except for it's services.
    It's a 2005 SE RT with computer/ESA etc.
    And no, zero failure so far.
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    Vote once

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred02 View Post
    All the once with multiple failures, vote multiple times.
    Once for their year model and then again for "multiple failure" part of the poll.
    I think you can only vote once.

    So, if you had multiple failures and voted in a "year" category you only got to register one failure.

    For the multiple failures category the registrant is asked to post how many, model and year.

    Hopefully Don has a plan as to how to collate and interpret all the info (year, model, location, etc) scattered throughout the thread.

    My guess is the failure rate is about 60%.
    Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by DcnDog View Post
    I think you can only vote once.

    So, if you had multiple failures and voted in a "year" category you only got to register one failure.

    For the multiple failures category the registrant is asked to post how many, model and year.

    Hopefully Don has a plan as to how to collate and interpret all the info (year, model, location, etc) scattered throughout the thread.

    My guess is the failure rate is about 60%.
    My guess is that the failure rate is higher than 50% also. I asked the Mech/Dealer why I am having what appears to be more failures than others. Mech. said he has seen others at 6 or 7 and I am not the only one????

    Mech. said he beleives that periods of sitting ie several weeks without use could contribute. I am a multiple bike owner and sometimes the RT sits for three to four weeks. I do fill up now and have been doing this thinking the strip might dry out but this has proved to be wrong.

    If BMW would just release a reason for the strip failures perhaps the owner could do something to prevent this---or is it a below standard vendor furnishing a poor product???? In the begining they said it was the ethanol but found multiple failures in countries that do not use ethonal.

    Where are the service memo's or any word from BMW would help. Getting to feel like we"ve been dropped of a cliff never to be heard from again.

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    08 RT, no failure.......yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaherbst View Post
    My guess is that the failure rate is higher than 50%..........
    We certainly should not extrapolate from this poll to the wider HexHead population. The stated goal of this poll is to gather info on the failure rate by year. Okay, but to try to say that the failure rate of fuel strips nationwide on HexHeads is X% based on a sampling such as this is not appropriate. The poll is interesting and indicates there are problems that need to be addressed, but 119 responses from a self selecting pool is certainly not scientific. I'd love to know the true failure rate of fuel strips and final drives. Among all the friends I have that ride HexHeads the failure rate of both items is near zero... also not information that can be used for any instructive purpose.

    I'm not trying to poo poo the effort; I was among the first to respond and hope we get many more responses. The survey provides an interesting anecdotal comparison of the failure rate by year but should not be cited as being authoritative.
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    I have to agree entirely with Kevin. There is no easy way to run a really scientific poll on the actual failure rate. That's a usual problem with any Internet poll, people with the problem are usually more likely to open and reply to the poll then people who haven't had the problem, or even worse, never heard of it.

    My intent was to try to see if there is any pattern to failures by year, since I couldn't recall ever seeing someone complain about an '05 or '06 failure. I think that information is somewhat revealing, and might be more so if we knew the actual number of bikes made with fuel strips for every year..

    Right now the pattern is a very low incidence rate for '05 and '06. Might be less bikes were made with fuel strips in those years, but somehow I rather doubt it (the comments also reinforce that doubt.) To me - it does appear that something happened with the strips starting in '07 model year that causes them to fail more frequently, or something changed in the electronics that drive the strips - causing the strip to fail.

    What changed? Dunno. I'm sure BMW has really accurate records (hey - they're German..) but they aren't telling. Even if they're not telling, if the supposition that failures increased starting in '07 is true, that should provide an avenue for troubleshooting or modifying the design to make them more reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DcnDog View Post
    I think you can only vote once.

    So, if you had multiple failures and voted in a "year" category you only got to register one failure.

    For the multiple failures category the registrant is asked to post how many, model and year.
    Sorry, and this is not for arguing.

    There are 2 in 2007 that also voted for multiple failures.
    There 3 in 2008 that also voted for multiple failures
    There is 1 in 2010 that also voted for multiple failures.

    So instead of 6, there were 12 votes.

    It's not about getting too pedantic, as long as we are aware of this.
    The numbers voted so far are way too small to draw any conclusion at all yet.
    So taking 6 out will give you a failure rate so far of just over 51%
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    Had my first strip fail at 19,000 miles in 2009. My second is "failing" now. It never shows the tank less than 3/4 full. And for the record, I use non-ethanol fuel around home and put in ethanol treatment when I'm on the road. I also throw in a bottle of Tecron every 1,000 miles.
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    Sorry. Forgot to post my bike is a 2009 GSA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred02 View Post
    It's not about getting too pedantic, as long as we are aware of this.
    The numbers voted so far are way too small to draw any conclusion at all yet.
    So taking 6 out will give you a failure rate so far of just over 51%

    No problem. I voted once under "multiple fuel strip failures", didn't check year.

    Looks like a total of 130 choices made and only 122 voters.

    "Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 122. You have already voted on this poll"
    Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by deilenberger View Post
    I have to agree entirely with Kevin. There is no easy way to run a really scientific poll on the actual failure rate.
    Thanks for doing this Don! The info offered has been interesting. Didn't expect anything more than what is reflected in an internet poll.
    Dan

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