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    92 K75S Fuel injectors are wide open...

    Hello everyone,

    I hope someone has seen this problem before and can help.

    The bike was not running. Fuel coming from the exhaust. I pulled the fuel rail and the injectors are flowing wide open continuously when the start button is pressed and until the fuel pressure stops. I've seen these injectors working before so I do know that these are running continuously not just looking like they are. Massive fuel coming out of all injectors.

    Injectors were sent in and cleaned and tested. Injectors are good. Computer, Air Flow sensor, Temp sensor and fuel pressure regulator replaced. Problem still persists.

    I disconnected one plug from one fuel injector and that one is not squirting. So the injectors are getting a solid power signal... Kill switch shuts them off instantly. Also disconnected the TPS with no effect.

    Could it be a short in the fuel injectors wiring harness .? Or the fuel filter is causing a back pressure?

    Please help if you can,

    Michael
    Last edited by MindTrainer; 08-20-2012 at 10:50 PM.

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    The last time I saw this, it was caused by a bad FICU. See if you can borrow one from a running bike. It's also possible that your injector switching wire has somehow become grounded. This could be caused by over-zealous use of zip-ties around a harness.

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    The injectors are powered ON whenever the ignition is on. They are triggered by grounding the other side of the connector. That is grounded by the L-Jetronic unit. They are wired in parallel - ie - they all fire at the same time.

    Something is grounding out. Quick check - unplug the L-Jetronic, see if they close. If so - L-Jetronic has problems (almost NEVER happens).

    If they then don't close with the ignition on, start following the brown wiring from the injectors backwards toward the harness until you find the ground problem. It's possible the problem is in a harness - which is a real problem to track down but not unknown due to the wire density on K bike harnesses and the small passages the harness is snaked through.
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    Stiil open...

    Hello everyone,

    I have been out of town till yesterday.

    Today I replaced the injector wiring harness and to my utter surprise it didn't fix the problem.

    When the fuel injector computer is disconnected there is no fuel squirting...

    Could I have 2 computers doing the same thing? Has this happened to anyone before ?

    Wow I'm really stumped now.....

    Please give this poor guy some more advise...

    Thank you.
    Last edited by MindTrainer; 09-07-2012 at 04:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrainer View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I have been out of town till yesterday.

    Today I replaced the injector wiring harness and to my utter surprise it didn't fix the problem.

    When the fuel injector computer is disconnected there is no fuel squirting...

    Could I have 2 computers doing the same thing? Has this happened to anyone before ?

    Wow I'm really stumped now.....

    Please give this poor guy some more advise...

    Thank you.
    Do you have an ohmmeter? That will be the first step in troubleshooting.

    And do I understand correctly - you've tried another L-Jetronic box (the one above the battery)?

    Is this the harness you replaced? http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...24&hg=61&fg=12

    If both are correct - then something is telling the L-Jetronic to fire the injectors.. so it means tracing the wiring to and from the ignition module (located under the seat about dead center in the frame right behind the steering head) since that provides the trigger signal to the L-Jetronic to fire the injectors.

    I don't have a wiring diagram handy anymore, but I'm sure someone can help you out. One WAG (and it is a WAG..) might be the hall-effect-sensor wiring may have shorted out, telling the ignition module that it's time to fire the plugs (and inject some fuel.) But that's just a guess.. so don't spend any money trying it until someone tells you what connectors on what device you want to check for an errant signal.
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    Seen it before

    This happened to me, I had flames coming out of my exhaust. Swapped the L-Jetronic box with one from another bike, problem solved.

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    Yes and Yes

    Don,

    Yes I replaced the computer under the seat first thing. Yes the wiring harness in the link is the one that I replaced.

    I have books with schematics and will attempt to find the wire responsible.

    i will let you know what i find...

    Thanks for the help it is very much appreciated.

    Michael

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    L-Jetronic box was BAD (both of them)

    Hello everyone,

    Just doing a long overdue followup here....

    I have been spending much more time out of town working lately then fixing bikes.

    Everyone that told me that it was the L-Jetronic box (computer) was right..!!!

    I finally took both of my computers to a friends place and tested them on his running K75 and it turns out both computers that I had were bad.

    Got a new computer and it runs....

    I think I now have a blown head gasket because # 3 plug is coming out black and oily and the bike won't idle or rev over 6K.

    Thank for all the good and correct advise. I had no idea that the replacement computer I bought was bad.

    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrainer View Post

    I think I now have a blown head gasket because # 3 plug is coming out black and oily and the bike won't idle or rev over 6K.


    Michael
    Possible, but highly unlikely. Have you replaced the plugs with NEW ones since the computer issue? If not, it is likely that the plugs are very fuel fouled. You might try cleaning and regaping them (to the tight side). Then put them in different cylinders to see if the problem returns to the same cylinder.

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    Do NOT run the engine until you have changed the oil and filter. It is very likely the oil is gas contaminated. Running the engine can ruin it quickly.
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    Did all that

    When I got the bike from another mechanic the oil view window was already too full so as soon as I got it running (somewhat) I drained it and replaced the oil and filter. I also replaced the plugs with another set.

    Compression test shows all cylinders are the same....

    I even bought a leak down tester but this is my first time using it and I'm not sure what the results mean.

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    If using the leakdown tester resulted in air coming out another spark plug hole or into the coolant, you could conclude that the head gasket was blown. I have seen Ks blow gaskets, but it is usualy due to overheating. You have to think about where all that fuel went: into the crankcase, which vents into the plenum chamber. #3 is closest to the vent, so much of that vaporised fuel goes into that cylinder. Replace that plug; they never seem to recover from fouling. Did you change the oil after you installed the working FICU or before?

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    I changed the oil after...

    I re-installed the plugs (cleaned and gaped) and the injectors then the computer and after a lot of revolutions it started.

    It ran as if only on 2 cylinders. I tried revving the motor and 6K was max.

    I shut it down then changed the oil and filter.

    It still ran the same. I pulled the plugs. One and two looked good number three was oily and black. I replaced the plugs with another set with the same results.

    Compression test came next with all 3 cylinders equal.

    I then bought a leak down tester and read how to use it on the internet but I couldn't say anything definite about it.

    When it runs I should mention that it does smoke a lot also. I bet you want to know the color of the smoke .... I have to say gray with some darker puffs here and there.

    Thanks very much for your continued input. I really don't want to pull the head and find it wasn't necessary.

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    If the compression test comes out fine, it is unlikely that the head gasket is blown. Did you test for oil in the coolant or coolant in the oil? A blown head gasket will create lots of white smoke and you can test for combustion gas in the coolant.

    I am not a K expert but did you check the coil for Cyl #3 by swapping with another cylinder? It sounds like maybe the plug is just not firing. You could also ground the plug and check for spark.
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