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    So I went and test rode a Victory Judge today....

    And all I can say is "yawn"...

    For $14K base price, I expected a lot more ... and for 1700+ cc, I expected a lot better zing! The best thing that came from my test ride is a reinforcement of my original decision to buy the R1200R..

    I went to this free ride event with a friend who's been torn between a Harley and Victory for the past year... I told him it's easy... just buy a BMW!

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    Once you ride a Beemer, you're ruined.

    I wore out 2 Harleys and a Goldwing. You could not run fast enough to give me either one after my 1100RT. BMW true blue now.

    The Victory scooters I have seen appear, to me, like just more in a long line of HD homage bikes.

    However they do have one model that looks like something out of Star Wars. Very unique but uglier than an acre of bulldogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NI5L View Post
    Once you ride a Beemer, you're ruined.

    I wore out 2 Harleys and a Goldwing. You could not run fast enough to give me either one after my 1100RT. BMW true blue now.

    The Victory scooters I have seen appear, to me, like just more in a long line of HD homage bikes.

    However they do have one model that looks like something out of Star Wars. Very unique but uglier than an acre of bulldogs.
    well put Warren, couldn't have said it better myself.... btw, to hijack my own thread... are you a ham? K6UA here.. though not active much these days except rarely on 2m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1200RClassic View Post
    well put Warren, couldn't have said it better myself.... btw, to hijack my own thread... are you a ham? K6UA here.. though not active much these days except rarely on 2m.
    Yep....HF DX hunter and "hired gun" CW operator in major contests at NI5T and K7EAR stations.

    95% CW but enjoy a good SSB ragchew occasionally. I'm always up for a QSO when condx permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NI5L View Post
    Yep....HF DX hunter and "hired gun" CW operator in major contests at NI5T and K7EAR stations.

    95% CW but enjoy a good SSB ragchew occasionally. I'm always up for a QSO when condx permit.
    No really into contesting or anything that hardcore, but if I ever get my HF station up again we'll have to try... I used to live in the Phoenix area and was always in contact with the Oregon Coast, and oddly, now I'm here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1200RClassic View Post
    No really into contesting or anything that hardcore, but if I ever get my HF station up again we'll have to try... I used to live in the Phoenix area and was always in contact with the Oregon Coast, and oddly, now I'm here.
    Sorry to hijack the thread, but I have to say hi to fellow hams. AB6YS here. Mostly into local emergency service work.

    Back on topic, I find the Judge to the least ugly of all the Victory's, but they are still ugly!

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    Our new BMW dealership in Jax, FL also sells Victory MC's. Both brands had 2 days where you could ride just about any bike they sold. I rode a Judge & Crossroads and was impressed with the Crossroads. not so much the Judge. I like Cruisers that have lowend grunt and the Crossroads has that in spades. For $16K you get ABS, Cruise Control, and 2 hard bags. I tow a BushTec trailor behind my R1200CLC and would like more grunt in hilly terrain and a stronger clutch to handle the stress. I really like how a boxer handles but after $5K in parts and repair (transmission, slave cylinder, rear hub, etc) I'm leaning towards the Victory or an LT for my over the road travel. Just my 2 cents!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyTrains View Post
    Sorry to hijack the thread, but I have to say hi to fellow hams. AB6YS here. Mostly into local emergency service work.

    Back on topic, I find the Judge to the least ugly of all the Victory's, but they are still ugly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NI5L View Post
    Once you ride a Beemer, you're ruined.

    I wore out 2 Harleys and a Goldwing. You could not run fast enough to give me either one after my 1100RT. BMW true blue now.

    The Victory scooters I have seen appear, to me, like just more in a long line of HD homage bikes.

    However they do have one model that looks like something out of Star Wars. Very unique but uglier than an acre of bulldogs.
    I got a very rude surprise this year by a brand new Gold Wing. My buddies and I were on our way north on Pacific Coast Highway north of San Simeon en-route to the USGP at Laguna Seca. This ride always becomes a bit competitive and we had just finished passing a bunch of cars and bikes to get some open road and open the bikes up. We had riders on a VFR, a YZF R-1, and another guy and a DL-1000, and me leading the charge at that moment on my highly modded Street Rod. Most years we pass everyone we encounter except maybe one bike. This year the one that got away really threw us for a loop.
    In my mirrors I saw a huge fairing filling both mirrors, and a second later this big Gold Wing passed me like I was chained to the side of the road. Consider I was moving along around 80 mph at this point on Pacific Coast Highway. The rider was wearing full road racing leathers, a full face helmet and was riding the bike like a good off road rider rides an enduro in a race, loose in the saddle, moving his weight around and hanging waaaayy off the bike in corners. I tried to keep up but within three corners and two hairy passes I knew it was futile and backed out of it.
    All of my buddies behind me had the same experience with the guy, trying to keep up then backing out when it looked too dangerous. Even the guy on the R-1 who is no slouch couldn't hang with, much less pass back, that Gold Wing. All we could do afterwards was shake our heads and wonder who the hay the rider was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 42906 View Post
    I got a very rude surprise this year by a brand new Gold Wing. My buddies and I were on our way north on Pacific Coast Highway north of San Simeon en-route to the USGP at Laguna Seca. This ride always becomes a bit competitive and we had just finished passing a bunch of cars and bikes to get some open road and open the bikes up. We had riders on a VFR, a YZF R-1, and another guy and a DL-1000, and me leading the charge at that moment on my highly modded Street Rod. Most years we pass everyone we encounter except maybe one bike. This year the one that got away really threw us for a loop.
    In my mirrors I saw a huge fairing filling both mirrors, and a second later this big Gold Wing passed me like I was chained to the side of the road. Consider I was moving along around 80 mph at this point on Pacific Coast Highway. The rider was wearing full road racing leathers, a full face helmet and was riding the bike like a good off road rider rides an enduro in a race, loose in the saddle, moving his weight around and hanging waaaayy off the bike in corners. I tried to keep up but within three corners and two hairy passes I knew it was futile and backed out of it.
    All of my buddies behind me had the same experience with the guy, trying to keep up then backing out when it looked too dangerous. Even the guy on the R-1 who is no slouch couldn't hang with, much less pass back, that Gold Wing. All we could do afterwards was shake our heads and wonder who the hay the rider was.
    now just imagine that rider on an R1200R, or better yet, a Duc 1199....

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    I can tell you through a great deal of experience that if you know how to ride it, the GL1800 Gold Wing is an exceptionally good handling motorcycle. In spite of its 900+ lb weight, the bike (thanks in large part to an exceptionally low CoG) will carve turns extremely well. It balances well in the turns and unlike a lot of large touring bikes and cruisers, it does not exihibit any tendency towards falling in when you lean it hard in a corner. Obviously it is not designed to to ride like a sport bike, but it takes little effort to put the Gold Wing into a turn all the way over to its pegs and hold the line. Match that with the flat-6 engine that will pull from low end with all kinds of torque, and once you learn how to ride it, you can make the Wing fly thru turns. I have one friend, a senior corporate guy at Honda HQ in Torrance, CA, who regularly takes his company Gold Wing through the canyon roads north of LA and humbles a lot of sport bike riders. Oh, and he does it with his wife on the back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1200RClassic View Post
    now just imagine that rider on an R1200R, or better yet, a Duc 1199....
    Honestly I don't think this guy would have been faster on either. On the street, beyond a certain point, it is all rider and not the bike, that counts. This particular dude was fearless, actually a NAFOD (No Apparent Fear Of Death). In weaponeering we refer to it as the "time constant", but a human brain can only process and react to information so fast, even if the bike is technically faster. On that road on that day with blind corners and cars to pass I doubt a "faster" bike would have yielded more actual speed. His time constant was already shorter than mine or that of my riding buddies.
    Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want.

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    While riding the Blue Ridge Parkway, we were passed by an older couple mounted on a Goldwing with a trailer. We were already stretching the speed limt by about 10 mph and they flew right past us. The bike was humming along with no indication of strain. Having owned a Valkyrie which was based on the GL1500 Goldwing platform, I have trouble believing that any BMW R bike is going to touch a modern 'wing for power. If the style appeals to you, I imagine you can be very happy on one of these machines. I like all bikes though...I still love a Harley Springer with archaic suspension, silly seating position, and gobs of chrome being piloted by a pirate in a non-DOT beany helmet or shorts and sneakers on a CT70. That one Victory that looks like a space ship would be more appealing to me with a state of the art liquid cooled engine that echoes the modern styling. Right now it's like a Ducati 1198 with a flathead 45 shoved in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hondarider View Post
    While riding the Blue Ridge Parkway, we were passed by an older couple mounted on a Goldwing with a trailer. We were already stretching the speed limt by about 10 mph and they flew right past us. The bike was humming along with no indication of strain. Having owned a Valkyrie which was based on the GL1500 Goldwing platform, I have trouble believing that any BMW R bike is going to touch a modern 'wing for power. If the style appeals to you, I imagine you can be very happy on one of these machines. I like all bikes though...I still love a Harley Springer with archaic suspension, silly seating position, and gobs of chrome being piloted by a pirate in a non-DOT beany helmet or shorts and sneakers on a CT70. That one Victory that looks like a space ship would be more appealing to me with a state of the art liquid cooled engine that echoes the modern styling. Right now it's like a Ducati 1198 with a flathead 45 shoved in it.
    If you want state of the art engine, you've got to ride the new Ducati Panigale 1199. I've ridden it on both the street and track...holy s*&t !! It is just as you would imagine, a Ducati superbike engine stuffed in a package that is smaller than a lot of the 600c sport bikes.

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