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    Dreaded oil thread. So sue me...

    Apologies in advance for the subject.

    Buddy of mine just bought an R1200S. What oil grade should he be using? Synthetic Mobil 1 15W-50 (car oil) ok?

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    Did he get an owner's manual? Good advice in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    did he get an owner's manual? Good advice in that.
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    Dreaded oil thread. So sue me...

    Tell you what. Save yourself some money.

    Send everyone on the forum a $5 bill and save yourself some attorney fees.
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    No, Mobil 1 15W50 is not a suitable "long term" oil for a motorcycle. Note I said long term. For one oil change cycle, or to get the bike home on a trip, fine. But for extended miles and use a motorcycle specific oil is the better choice. These engines still need the benefit of ZDDP and similar additives that are now only common to motorcycle specific oils and some brands of "racing" oils.

    I used to use Mobil 1 automotive oil. That is until I found out the formulation changed and the ZDDP additives were replaced. I now use Valvoline Full Synthetic 20W50 Racing oil which does contain high amounts of ZDDP. Oh, and my bike now has 168,000 trouble free miles on it, so the right oils may have some impact on that.

    There, oil thread started, jump on everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32232 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    did he get an owner's manual? Good advice in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANDYVH View Post
    No, Mobil 1 15W50 is not a suitable "long term" oil for a motorcycle. Note I said long term. For one oil change cycle, or to get the bike home on a trip, fine. But for extended miles and use a motorcycle specific oil is the better choice. These engines still need the benefit of ZDDP and similar additives that are now only common to motorcycle specific oils and some brands of "racing" oils.

    I used to use Mobil 1 automotive oil. That is until I found out the formulation changed and the ZDDP additives were replaced. I now use Valvoline Full Synthetic 20W50 Racing oil which does contain high amounts of ZDDP. Oh, and my bike now has 168,000 trouble free miles on it, so the right oils may have some impact on that.

    There, oil thread started, jump on everyone!
    Thank you, Andy. When was the formulation for Mobil 1 15w-50 changed? I've been using it for years with excellent results. I suspect this is a recent change?

    And to everyone else, no owner's manual. Please send me your addresses so I can put $5 in the mail for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1100S View Post
    Thank you, Andy. When was the formulation for Mobil 1 15w-50 changed? I've been using it for years with excellent results. I suspect this is a recent change?

    And to everyone else, no owner's manual. Please send me your addresses so I can put $5 in the mail for you.
    I understood that the zinc additive was reduced for the lighter weight oils, like for water cooled engines, but was optional for the heavier weights since they are not used in the larger fleet of cars.
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    Mobil 1 not a recent change

    I used to work with a guy who changed jobs from Mobil fuels to lubricants about 10+ years ago. I asked him if there was any real difference and he sent a lot of information, but bottom line is car oil was different from motorcycle oil. This was when Mobil first started making the MC oil. Probably 10-15 yrs ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpmonk View Post
    I used to work with a guy who changed jobs from Mobil fuels to lubricants about 10+ years ago. I asked him if there was any real difference and he sent a lot of information, but bottom line is car oil was different from motorcycle oil. This was when Mobil first started making the MC oil. Probably 10-15 yrs ago.
    It needs to be different when the transmission runs in same oil as the motor.

    Otherwise it does not need to be different.

    This describes all boxers and most K-bikes.

    ZDDP is bunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1100S View Post
    And to everyone else, no owner's manual.
    Then download one directly from BMW

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjack View Post
    I understood that the zinc additive was reduced for the lighter weight oils, like for water cooled engines, but was optional for the heavier weights since they are not used in the larger fleet of cars.
    This is from October 2011....

    Note the applications for 15W-50 "....racing and flat tappet applications."

    http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/...duct_guide.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by marchyman View Post
    Then download one...
    Thanks for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marchyman View Post
    Am I reading this correctly that this would be SF or better, which is automotive oil pretty much.

    Since dry clutch, no need to use MC specific oil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JStrube View Post
    Am I reading this correctly that this would be SF or better, which is automotive oil pretty much.

    Since dry clutch, no need to use MC specific oil?
    Actually, back when a whole bunch of oils were tested independently, BMW (Spectrol) oil tested very well. Mobil 1 was ok, but not at the top anti wear wise. I don't think any premium oil will be noticeably bad for these engines. I, however, will continue to use oil specified (JASO-MA) for wet clutch engines in the wet clutch engines.
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