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    Advanced Rider's Course

    Annie and I just finished the course an hour ago. It is a great course that focuses on skills and knowledge relevant to our daily riding. You should take it; you will be a better rider no matter what your skill level now. I don't recommend taking it in 95 degree weather, but take it none the less.
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    Congratulations on taking the course.

    How was the "Box" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ka5ysy View Post
    Congratulations on taking the course.

    How was the "Box" ?
    No box; that's the point. The range exercises are on road skills you will use every time you ride.
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    There was a box when I took it, not like the BRC, but very similar.
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    I'm scheduled for it later this month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommcgee View Post
    There was a box when I took it, not like the BRC, but very similar.
    You sure you didn't take what's now the BRC II which used to be the ERC instead of the ARC?

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    Yup, the ARC is fairly new. It was developed for the military in response to the high number of injuries troops were sustaining after returning from deployments with pockets full of money for new motorcycles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockbottom View Post
    You sure you didn't take what's now the BRC II which used to be the ERC instead of the ARC?
    Yeah, it was the ERC.
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    Smile

    I teach the ERC and have also taken it as a 'student.' It's essentially the BRC on steroids, but using your personal motorcycle.

    It has some value, but the ARC (which I've also taken as a 'student' ) is so much more.

    Since it requires a more sophisticated range footprint in terms of painted arcs and painted paths of travel, it's still a bit rare, and not something we can easily offer at a Rally at a moment's notice.

    At Sedalia, I would encourage as many of you as can to take the ERC - you should benefit from that experience.

    But the ARC is a hoot - like the OP stated - real world skills and fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwald View Post
    It has some value, but the ARC (which I've also taken as a 'student' ) is so much more.
    It's on my list. Funny that when I started riding in 1969 or 1970, there was no training at all that I knew about. I did have one primer that was pretty darn good, but it was no substitute for a top notch course instructor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwald View Post
    I teach the ERC and have also taken it as a 'student.' It's essentially the BRC on steroids, but using your personal motorcycle.

    It has some value, but the ARC (which I've also taken as a 'student' ) is so much more.

    Since it requires a more sophisticated range footprint in terms of painted arcs and painted paths of travel, it's still a bit rare, and not something we can easily offer at a Rally at a moment's notice.

    At Sedalia, I would encourage as many of you as can to take the ERC - you should benefit from that experience.

    But the ARC is a hoot - like the OP stated - real world skills and fun!
    Kevin- not sure if you realize it, but we have offered multiple sessions of the ARC-ST at the last 2 nationals,
    and that both times, they were taught on sites that did not previosuly have any range at all (high school parking lot in Redmond, and a mall parking lot last year).
    we were not able to secure a site at this year's rally.

    IMO, The BRC2 (ex-ERC) is a good course for a (slightly) experienced rider, for one who has never taken any type off formal training, or someone who just wans to shake off the cobwebs or have someone observe their riding actions to help them make some adjustments.
    The ARC however, is the ****z, and is a totally awesome course, which will push your comfort zone and skill sets to a new level.
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    Anyone know of an ARC course in Massachusetts yet? Couldn't locate one with a bit of searching. Training wheels online is the dominant MSF course provider here, and so far, they aren't listing ARC.
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    I'm not in any way trying to be a smartass , just looking for an honest answer.

    Like many people here, I've ridden since I was a kid (51 y.o. now). I've owned street bikes since I was 16 and would modestly guess that I have anywhere from 300-500K miles on 2 wheels. I ride my bike to work almost year round.

    I've also roadraced with WERA since 1997 on everything from an RD400 to a CBR900RR. Currently running an FZR400 and RZ350. I've attended many racing schools.

    So how exactly would I benefit from taking one of these courses? Maybe there is something I'm missing, but I want to think that I pretty much know everything there is to know about 2 wheels.

    I can't be the only person that thinks this way, so what can I gain?
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    I'd save my money for something taught on a real race track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rd400racer View Post
    Maybe there is something I'm missing, but I want to think that I pretty much know everything there is to know about 2 wheels.

    I can't be the only person that thinks this way, so what can I gain?
    Education is a good thing. Even if you learn nothing (doubtful), it's a great way to spend a day.
    Salty Fog Rally 2007, 2009, 2011, 2012, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO 2014!

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