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    Without doubt the best front running battles in a long time. Another interestinng series is the new Moto 3 250cc series. Check that action out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40427 View Post
    I would like to see some movement from BMW to get involved with the AMA series here.
    Triumph is going great in the Super Sports classes, with Jason DeSalvo.

    Josh Hays continues to dominate the upper series, but I doubt he will be in WSBK or GP at his age , unless he finds some big sponsor $$.
    They're here in the USA in some series with Pegram, I believe.
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    You are correct sir !

    My apologies to BMW and Larry Pegram ( aka the Worm among friends)
    He is a privateer with some help from BMW. Runs a family team on a much smaller budget than many of the others. He consistently runs near the front, but finishes more often than not around 5th or 6th.

    Larry is a great guy and a real racer, I know him from my days helping promote MARS . Can't believe i forgot him in the AMA series, getting old for sure.

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    Actually, as I understand it, Pegram gets no support from BMWNA. His sponsor is Foremost Insurance. I understand that kit parts are made available, but last I read, he gets no sponsorship support, though from what I can tell, there is ONE BMW logo on the bike which changes places. In one photo it is on the side panel rider's left, another rider's right, another on the top of the front fender, but the photos don't ever seem to show it in more than one place at any time and I don't see any logos on his leathers. From the AMA's Team page on Larry's team:
    Foremost Insurance Pegram Racing is owned and operated by series veteran Larry Pegram, who also fields the effort's BMW machinery in the AMA Pro National Guard SuperBike Championship. That is the only mention of the brand in either the Team or personal listings, though there is no listing of sponsors, which I found rather odd.
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    Our old rule of thumb;

    If you want me to show your logo/sticker/ name == PAY ME !

    It was not always or even cash, but parts/oil/spark plugs/oil what ever you could negotiate. All that stuff costs a ton of $$ over a season so it adds up.

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    MotoGP has become a parade. I saw these last WSB races and for the time, I'm switching away from GP.
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    Nope not me;

    If it has wheels , make noise and goes fast i want to either ride it or at least watch the aliens who can.

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    BMW is not supporting any bikes in AMA as they have said they put all their money in GS advertisement in the US and their riding schools. Larry was going to remove all the BMW stickers from his bike but I guess he had second thoughts.This is according to some of his backers that I know.
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    Even though the AMA series is and has been a joke for several years.
    I think BMW is missing a very inexpensive opportunity to market and sell more machines it the USA than they think.
    The mark still carries the stigma of an old mans bike here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboRider View Post
    MotoGP has become a parade. I saw these last WSB races and for the time, I'm switching away from GP.
    I agree, though I watch all the moto gp races. WSB and the moto 2/moto 3 class races are much more exciting imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40427 View Post
    Even though the AMA series is and has been a joke for several years.
    I think BMW is missing a very inexpensive opportunity to market and sell more machines it the USA than they think.
    The mark still carries the stigma of an old mans bike here.
    Is it all that cheap? The AMA sold ProRacing in part because of the cost of running a continental series. The recurring lament of privateers is the cost of campaigning in a national series spread over a continent. Combine that with a Japanese dominated class and governing body no matter who owned the series and AMA Proracing is not friendly to newcomers.

    How much is the ROI? While I agree there are sales to be made but is there enough increase available to justify the expense? Will a WSBK championship do as much? What will the world wide impact of a true factory effort in MotoGP be on S1000RR and other sport bikes in the line up be?

    At the corporate level the decision was to focus their dollars on Husqvarna marque development and racing in NA. BMW NA has seen the synergy in its resulting budget best spent on the GS.

    Motorcycle road racing, with the exception of certain regional niches, has fallen on hard times. Regional club racing is disappearing in some areas. If US mc road racing is to return to anything close to the days that produced riders and interest as in the past it will have to happen as a grass roots rebirth.

    Old Man Stigma - BMW riders are as guilty of self identifying the marque's following as being that as much as anyone else. The reality as I see it is the a bit different.

    The MOA, if I am not mistaken, is the worlds largest BMW motorcycle club. It has self identified as touring camping group preferring endings like RT and GS on the end of their BMW nomenclature. That is fine because that was a membership decision. The segment of the group that likes S and RRs in their nomenclature have been amazingly quiet when it comes to supporting their leadership sponsoring a BMW road racer in any way. The BoD have listened carefully and the membership and they have listened to the silence. They have responded very appropriately by creating touring destinations to races like MMS and Indy while doing GS based events.

    If you want Motorrad Road Racing think globally and race locally.

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    I could also go on a rant about the AMA ( I'm a charter lifer member).

    The AMA was doing fine up until it got greedy and went from being a sanctioning body to a race promoter. I was there, and experienced it first hand as a privateer. Not a fun time to say the least.

    As for BMW supporting racing here, I doubt it will ever happen in a meaningful way and it's probably best left the way it is. I wish that were different, it is not . The Japanese mfgr's have been cutting back consistently for several years now and are support efforts to well funded smaller teams. I don't see a profitable business model for those teams so they must do it for the love of the sport.

    BMW like Triumph; has a great name in the market place but does suffer somewhat from more of an older wealthier owner stigma than the English brand.
    Triumph is pretty smart in its move to off shore production and most of their top end models are at a price point less than BMW. They also have a growing following of the retro styled bikes. BMW dropped the ball on that end IMHO, the only thing they have is the R1200 Classic . I have never seen one on the road.

    Road racing here in the states never had all that big of a fan base. When the Japanese mfgr's got heavily involved it killed privateer interest. That's another discussion.

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    That certainly was heartbreaking after watching both races and to have a sure double taken from them was just wrong.

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