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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    Which lower and lighter bikes? Other than the F's?
    Well the R1200 was lighter than the R1150 - across the board: ie GS to GS, RT to RT, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    Which lower and lighter bikes? Other than the F's?
    All of the Cam/Hex Heads are significantly lighter, and perhaps a bit lower (or at least, less wide at the rider's seat, which is often the same thing) than their Oilhead predecessors (which were initially designed before he took over).

    For example, there's another thread that's fairly current where the R-R style bikes were compared and the R1200R is just a few pounds heavier than the last R100R, and about 40 lbs. lighter than the R1150R.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Folks, here's your golden opportunity for fame and fortune.

    Now that the position is open maybe some of the MOA members who know exactly what type bikes BMW should build (many, many threads) should apply for the job.
    'Atta boy, Paul!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Well the R1200 was lighter than the R1150 - across the board: ie GS to GS, RT to RT, etc.
    With the advent of the modern GS's, I've assumed that everything is going the way of Hummers.

    There is the chance that I might not be correct....possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mika View Post
    David Robb was born in Boston Massachusetts. His father was a missionary and moved the family to Kobe Japan where he grew up. He graduated from Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, California., Robb will turn 56 this year.

    His first job after college was with Chrysler in their Advanced Studio. That lasted 11 months then cutbacks cost him his job. He went to Europe with the goal of getting a job at Opel. He received and offer but in the interim had done other interviews and took a job with Audi. He joined BMW in 1984. He started on the automobile side of the company as an exterior designer and was promoted to head of the exterior studio before taking over as motorrad head of design in 1993.

    An earlier poster commented on 'churn' in BMW executives. Beyond reading every Rolls-Royce press release I don't follow the cage side of the company much at all. What I have notice with motorrad executives is they often end up in more senior positions on the cage side after 'making their executive bones' in the motorrad segment.

    My guess is there is much more to this story than an argument with von Kűenheim over the Lo Rider production concept. I would be more surprised to hear he has not taken something that interests him within BMW. Given the point he is at in his career, age and the point where BMW Motorrad/Husqvarna are at with product development it is as logical a time to transition the head of design for the segment. Any way you look at it I doubt it is change for change sake.

    BMW is said to be looking at new markets. It is not clear if that means model types, national or both. Combing that with a new direction for Husqvarna and how they mesh with the Mothership we are in for some interesting developments.
    Well said...

    My guess is that he is not leaving BMW, but will be moved to another position. It will take a little time to work out the details and contracts.

    If he is gone from BMW, just think of the 'tell all' book he could write!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewmeister View Post
    BMW will probably have him sign a nondisclosier statement?
    You need to sign that to get hired!

    And if you ever reveal the furnace where they melt down each monthly batch of botched FD's, they will hunt you down and bring a new meaning to 'termination!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwald View Post
    You need to sign that to get hired!

    And if you ever reveal the furnace where they melt down each monthly batch of botched FD's, they will hunt you down and bring a new meaning to 'termination!"
    Melt down? I thought they sold them to MOA members! Maybe I was wrong.
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    If he was responsible for all the wierd impractical designs that came from BMW since the airheads demise then I for one am glad he's gone.

    BMW makes large, ungainly, heavy motorcycles. Maybe their management is realizing that the emerging markets are in China, India, Indonesia, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R80andR100RT View Post
    If he was responsible for all the wierd impractical designs that came from BMW since the airheads demise then I for one am glad he's gone.

    BMW makes large, ungainly, heavy motorcycles. Maybe their management is realizing that the emerging markets are in China, India, Indonesia, etc.
    While you're certainly free to your opinion, I, for one, could not disagree more. I think he's done a fine job, and obviously riders spoke with their wallets. BMW's sales have done better these last few years than most other manufacturers. Clearly those folk didn't share your view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfarson View Post
    Yes, interesting. A lot of product line overlap. Not that there is a complete overlap, but there is some product cannibalization. BMW volume may be up, but I doubt profit is keeping pace.
    Depends on how you view things.

    2011 is the first year that BMW AG gives BMW and Husqvarna numbers in their business reports. From their perspective increased sales volumes were translated into higher revenues. Reading on a bit you see the picture is not simple.

    The BMW numbers are up in sales and production while systems in place controlled inventory and production costs. BMW tends to front end load cost related to models so the Roundel revenue numbers are currently up in part to that.

    Husqvarna operates primarily in the under 500cc market which has been hit hard. They have had much more difficulty controlling production v demand. In Q3 the hops counters in Munich front end loaded a bunch of costs related to the revamping/integration of Husqvarna.

    I don't see this as throwing good money after bad; quite the contrary. Finding the right models and production numbers will be a very big challenge. The future golden egg I see is the underused production capacity in the Husqvarna plant. Money spent now should reap dividends in the future as production of Red and Blue bikes, engines and parts ramp up there.

    From the BMW AG Q3 Report
    Motorcycles segment revenues up
    Increased sales volumes were translated into higher
    revenues
    for the Motorcycle segment both in the quarter
    (euro 334 million; +14.8%) and for the nine-month period
    (euro 1,181 million; +9.3%). As a result of the strategic
    realignment of the Husqvarna Group, the segment
    recorded
    a negative EBIT of euro 16 million (2010: positive
    EBIT of euro 2 million) for the third-quarter. EBIT
    for the nine-month period was a positive euro 62 million
    (ÔÇô29.5%). As a consequence of these developments,
    earnings for the Motorcycles segment were down on the
    previous year, with a third-quarter loss before tax of euro
    17 million (2010: euro 0 million) and a nine-month profit
    before tax of euro 60 million (ÔÇô27.7%).


    Quote Originally Posted by Muriel View Post
    David Robb listened - we wanted lower bikes, lighter bikes . . . . . at his talk at Machine in the Garden at the Boston Architectural Center several years ago he said they were coming - and they came.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R80andR100RT View Post
    If he was responsible for all the wierd impractical designs that came from BMW since the airheads demise then I for one am glad he's gone.

    BMW makes large, ungainly, heavy motorcycles. Maybe their management is realizing that the emerging markets are in China, India, Indonesia, etc.
    For me great designers often are the ones whose designs elicit drastically different reactions from people. Obviously Robb's designs do that. He brought us smaller light bikes while building two wheeled Panzers; both of which we asked for. I lust for some and thing others are boring turds on wheels. Hero or villain I wish him well what ever he does on Monday and where ever that is.
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    Maybe their management is realizing that the emerging markets are in China, India, Indonesia, etc.
    Well, there's sure no accountin' fer taste, but I don't think they have the slightest problem, at all, with the marketing issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mika View Post
    David Robb was born in Boston Massachusetts. His father was a missionary and moved the family to Kobe Japan where he grew up. He graduated from Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, California., Robb will turn 56 this year.

    His first job after college was with Chrysler in their Advanced Studio. That lasted 11 months then cutbacks cost him his job. He went to Europe with the goal of getting a job at Opel. He received and offer but in the interim had done other interviews and took a job with Audi. He joined BMW in 1984. He started on the automobile side of the company as an exterior designer and was promoted to head of the exterior studio before taking over as motorrad head of design in 1993.

    An earlier poster commented on 'churn' in BMW executives. Beyond reading every Rolls-Royce press release I don't follow the cage side of the company much at all. What I have notice with motorrad executives is they often end up in more senior positions on the cage side after 'making their executive bones' in the motorrad segment.

    My guess is there is much more to this story than an argument with von Kűenheim over the Lo Rider production concept. I would be more surprised to hear he has not taken something that interests him within BMW. Given the point he is at in his career, age and the point where BMW Motorrad/Husqvarna are at with product development it is as logical a time to transition the head of design for the segment. Any way you look at it I doubt it is change for change sake.

    BMW is said to be looking at new markets. It is not clear if that means model types, national or both. Combing that with a new direction for Husqvarna and how they mesh with the Mothership we are in for some interesting developments.
    "I would be more surprised to hear he has not taken something that interests him within BMW. Given the point he is at in his career, age..."

    I think that BMW summarily tosses you out the door at 60. The chance that he would be offered something at BMW - especially since no job announcement preceded his departure - seems to me that he is done with BMW. This may be an opportunity for BMW competitors, assuming there isn't a "no-compete" clause in his contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Melt down? I thought they sold them to MOA members! Maybe I was wrong.
    Paul - the ones tossed into the melting furnace were the failed FD's that BMW spirits away to Germany from the local dealerships after they've been pulled from the bikes of unfortunate owners - like the one that puked on my RT!
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    I thought his designs were excellent and he definitely changed the landscape, not just for BMW but for the entire industry.

    Comes from a very talented family also, isn't his brother the lead singer for Hoobastank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy View Post
    Well said...

    My guess is that he is not leaving BMW, but will be moved to another position. It will take a little time to work out the details and contracts.

    If he is gone from BMW, just think of the 'tell all' book he could write!

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    (from BMW Press Release 01/30/2012)
    "New Head of Design for BMW Motorrad. Edgar Heinrich takes over the BMW Group's BMW Motorrad Design Studio.

    Munich. Edgar Heinrich (53) will be taking over the BMW Group's BMW Motorrad Design Studio as of July 1st 2012. He succeeds David Robb. After completing his university degree in design, Edgar Heinrich started his career as a motorcycle designer with BMW back in 1986. Within the BMW GroupÔÇÖs BMW Motorrad Design Studio he was Head of Vehicle Design Motorcycles under the overall direction of David Robb from 2007 to 2009.
    ....
    "David Robb (56), the previous head of the BMW Group Motorcycle Design Studio, has left the company. He was in charge of BMW Motorrad design for 18 years. Under his leadership, the design team elaborated the development of the BMW Motorrad product portfolio from three to a current total of six model lines, as well as creating the extensive product range of BMW Motorrad rider equipment and motorcycle accessories.
    ....
    "Adrian van Hooydonk, Senior Vice President BMW Group Design: "I would like to thank David Robb for his many years of successful work and wish him all the very best for the future." [end Press Release quote]

    (In the usual bland corporate-speak,) there is no further info on Robb's future
    in this Press Release.

    We can all speculate 'till more info becomes public elsewhere

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