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    Quote Originally Posted by ANDYVH View Post
    Must be data for somewhere other than the USA, because those first three bikes aren't even available here in the US.
    My error... UK, not US. What, the K isn't next to the S on your keyboard.

    In any case that's why I asked where and when...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCQTT View Post
    Honda CBF125 WTF is that.....sorry...complete nonsense.
    Not everyone lives in your particular corner of the world.

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    i think BMW is less different now than it used to be.

    but being different is part of the brand.

    god, i hated whizzy brakes.

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    Originally Posted by SCQTT View Post
    Honda CBF125 WTF is that.....sorry...complete nonsense.
    Not everyone lives in your particular corner of the world.
    If HondaÔÇÖs 2010 Annual Report is to be believed (starting on page 18) they sold in:

    Asia; 7,628,000 motorcycles ...

    ÔÇ£OtherÔÇØ regions; 2,200,000

    Europe; 199,000

    Japan: 199,000

    United States; 189,000
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    JAMA has cage and motorcycle figures for the Japanese manufacturers.

    http://www.jama-english.jp/statistic...11/111227.html
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    Hint, this post was originally written in 2006 and that's the year for that sales figure. At least that's what it says here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marchyman View Post
    Not everyone lives in your particular corner of the world.
    "BMW must be doing something right, the R1200GS is the 5th best selling bike in the US"

    This is an excerpt from your original post.

    You were refering to my particular corner of the world when you wrote that rambling jumble of words.

    In other words, your data is not relevant, because it does not apply.

    I'm fairly certain BMW does not have a bike in the top 10 unit sales in the US market.

    You somehow also magically cruntched the numbers to come up with the the 1200GS & 1200Adventure numbers combined made it the best selling bike....

    "Note that if you combine the GS and the GS Adv it comes out number 1."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy View Post
    Too many different words....
    "more different" = redundancy...

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    differentest

    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    "more different" = redundancy...
    BMW motorcycles are more different than most, but Moto Guzzi make the most differentest motorcycles.

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    Yup BMW is very different in many ways from the /5 days you first wrote about. Some of the changes are pretty darn good. Upping the HP and torque brought the performance up as did the 6 speed gear box. Suspension upgrades improved handling and made it fun to hit the twisties.

    Other things increased the complexity of the machines and IMO degraded the reliability factor considerably. Again IMO the cost of ownership, for the majority(or minority on the board here) who cannot for one reason or another do their own maintenance, has gone up sharply. It's much like owning a Jaguar from the late 1990's and 2000's. It is a great car but it is your mechanics best buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motor31 View Post
    Yup BMW is very different in many ways from the /5 days you first wrote about. Some of the changes are pretty darn good. Upping the HP and torque brought the performance up as did the 6 speed gear box. Suspension upgrades improved handling and made it fun to hit the twisties.

    Other things increased the complexity of the machines and IMO degraded the reliability factor considerably. Again IMO the cost of ownership, for the majority(or minority on the board here) who cannot for one reason or another do their own maintenance, has gone up sharply. It's much like owning a Jaguar from the late 1990's and 2000's. It is a great car but it is your mechanics best buddy.
    OP's question was really not about how BMW has changed over the years compared to where they were at some previous time, but how different are they know (and previously) to other m/c manufacturers.
    (i'm in teacher mode right now. you failed that essay question, bucko. try a redo, and resubmit for an improved grade?) (smiley face added)

    However, building off what you began--
    think of the /5 bikes, and compare them to other bikes of similar vintage.
    shaft drive BMW vs chain drive almost everyone else.
    opposed flat twin BMW vs upright twins or singles from most everyone else, or V-twins from H-D or Guzzi.
    weird sideways kick start BMW vs normal rotation for everyone else.
    electric & kick start BMW vs kick start only most everyone else.
    12 volt BMW vs 6 volt most everyone else.
    motor that will last 50,000-100,00 miles before needing an upper end rebuild vs throw it in the garbage before 100K miles most everyone else.

    yup- more different, even then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_M View Post
    BMW motorcycles are more different than most, but Moto Guzzi make the most differentest motorcycles.
    Which only illustrates that "different" is wrong word to use.

    BMW's clear goal is to be the most technologically advanced.

    This supports the goal for their cars, which is the same.

    "Old man bike" is well and truly gone. It's all about "sport" now.

    And, you can call a boxer twin a nostalgic thing, but it truly remains a nice engine configuration, something that can't be said about a 45-degree V-twin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCQTT View Post
    "BMW must be doing something right, the R1200GS is the 5th best selling bike in the US"

    This is an excerpt from your original post.
    Uh, no. I didn't write that. Perhaps you should pay a bit more attention to who wrote what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marchyman View Post
    Uh, no. I didn't write that. Perhaps you should pay a bit more attention to who wrote what.
    Yes, you are correct, my mistake.....but you did try to get you dig in with the my part of the world bit.

    The OP was obviously tralking about the US market.....his data was wrong.

    Perhaps you should pay more attention to the relevance of your statment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCQTT View Post
    Yes, you are correct, my mistake.....but you did try to get you dig in with the my part of the world bit.

    The OP was obviously tralking about the US market.....his data was wrong.

    Perhaps you should pay more attention to the relevance of your statment.
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