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    I pretty much agree that the R bike is an RT light version.

    I ride a 1985 R80 with a Parabellum wind screen good wind management,
    had the opportunity to ride an R1200Rt and a R1200R back to back along with my own bike all in one day.

    The RT was real nice but felt bulky and over weight compared to the other two.

    If I were doing a cross country trip I would probably favor the RT due to the electric windscreen, but most times I prefer the more naked look of the plain R bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osbornk View Post
    Wish I had a 30" inseam............................................ .......
    28.5 here= zero GS's and besides I'm too old for off road pickups of a 500#+ bike & if I had the legs and youth I'd by an MX bike for dirt. Go for the R & no tupperware!

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    Adding a comment here: I have been riding a 2011 RT dealer demo to put some miles on it, and presently have most of the 1200 miles or so in it. For those coming off any other bike, the RT takes a couple of hundred miles of riding to finally "get" what it is about and how well mannered a machine it really is. A quick hour or so on the bike will not do it, and really, a minimum of 300-400 miles is required.

    Back when I first test rode a 2007 RT, I was not particularly impressed with the bike, and a major objection was the fairing behind the cylinders was hitting the armor in my riding pants causing issues with foot placement at stops that really bothered me. After thinking about it and really getting into knowing the RT's, they really are outstanding machines. I personally do not find them to be heavy or hard to maneuver at low speeds, and at cruise and in the twisty bits, they ride as nicely as my 2007 RR which is a fantastic bike. I really love the looks that I get from sport bike riders that look over their shoulder and see me on the RT or the RR with all the cases on pressing them a bit.

    Only real problem I have ever found with the RR is that, as many have discovered, if you put cases, windscreens and all the extra stuff to set it up as a tourer, the cost quickly matches or exceeds the RT cost. The counter argument is that the RR is better in hot weather due to lack of the fairing, but I actually have ridden the RT in very hot weather, and do not find it that bad. The RT adjustable windscreen is outstanding, and I play with it a lot. Cruise control is cool too; throttles on both grips !

    My SO actually loves to ride pillion on the RT as compared to the setup (large top case) on the RR, so we may just end up adding the RT to the stable to keep the RR company. Best of both worlds

    The real problem now is that there is a RT in the Light Magnesium / Magnesium Beige tri-color that winks at me every time I walk in the dealership

    It also happens to match my Platinum Bronze X5 which my wife says is "Cute". Cute is a code word that means she approves ! I have a great wife who has put up with me for 35 years now.

    Oh... I am 5'!!" with a 29" inseam and have no problem getting feet down in single rider mode. Two up ESA setting gets interesting unless loaded, kind of like riding the GSA on tip-toes! Yikes !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ka5ysy View Post
    The counter argument is that the RR is better in hot weather due to lack of the fairing, but I actually have ridden the RT in very hot weather, and do not find it that bad.
    That's interesting to read, coming from a Baton Rouge rider. How much very hot weather have your ridden the RT in? Are we talking hot and humid Louisiana weather? It's hard to envision how you get much airflow over your torso even with the windshield all the way down. I've test ridden the R12RT in hot-humid St. Louis weather and concluded it would be too hot on a long ride, but it was not a long enough test ride to get really uncomfortably hot. Maybe I need to spend more time on one next summer if the dealer is agreeable to letting it go for a couple of hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkM View Post
    The R12GS is at the top of my wish list for my next bike. The R12R is a close second partly because they are not as abundant as the GS.
    I have a R12R & just picked up a R12GSA to complement it. Very different feel between the two bikes. Each has their strengths. I am very impressed with the slow speed handling of the GSA, it's better than the R. I'll have to get some more mileage on the GSA to fully compare it to the R, but I don't see myself parting with either bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkM View Post
    That's interesting to read, coming from a Baton Rouge rider. How much very hot weather have your ridden the RT in? Are we talking hot and humid Louisiana weather? It's hard to envision how you get much airflow over your torso even with the windshield all the way down. I've test ridden the R12RT in hot-humid St. Louis weather and concluded it would be too hot on a long ride, but it was not a long enough test ride to get really uncomfortably hot. Maybe I need to spend more time on one next summer if the dealer is agreeable to letting it go for a couple of hours.
    Good Morning Mark, and happy new year..

    I actually took about a 400 mile run in August, temperature 96, humidity about 85%, heat index someplace in the 110 range at 2:30pm on the bike to see what everyone was talking about with the heat behind the fairing. As a baseline, my riding gear is the Motoport Airmesh II kevlar jacket with the Quad armor, and the pants on that particular ride were the BMW Summer pants with standard armor. Helmet is the Shoei Multitech. Underwear is Coolmax wicking stuff that really helps in the heat.

    When stopped, it is hot, but once moving, I did not find it miserable. One thing I noticed is that if you turn your knees out, it catches some air that cools things off nicely. The Goldwing crowd has figured out putting air deflectors on the fairings pull air in to help cooling with their really protected position behind the fairing. If you look at the K1600's, they have deflectors built into the fairing that actually work really well in hot weather. I would suspect that the waterhead RT evolution will probably do something like that on the updated bike in a year or so.

    One other thing to know about my riding is that I also teach Riders Edge classes in the summer a lot of weekends, and it is not unusual for us to see actual temperatures in the 110-115 range while out on the course and all of us instructors are acclimatized to the heat, and push liquids with the Camelbak packs, so riding in the heat is not as bad as if I were in an air conditioned office all the time. We really have to watch students in that heat as I have had to treat heat exhaustion a number of times every summer.

    As a cross-check control, I have switched to my RR in the same temperatures, and it is very miserable when the heat is in the above 100 degree heat indexes because the hot air even when riding is very tiring and requires constant hydration to avoid problems. It might seem counter-intuitive, but if you ride in the desert, you will be cooler behind a fairing or with the suit vents closed off. Same thing seems to work in our Louisiana humidity.

    You should take a long ride, minimum about 4 hours, on a hot day in STL and see what you think. For comparison, take the same ride on either an RR or a GS or whatever so you can see the difference. One thing you might try too, is to stand up on the pegs of the RT while you are riding. That cools things off nicely and makes hot ride days much better.

    Hope this helps !
    Last edited by ka5ysy; 01-01-2012 at 10:50 PM.
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    it does sound counter-intuitive

    but what i have noticed on my R1150RT, is that the fairing is so good at wind management, that the heat from the motor is vented away from the rider; unlike either my R1100GS, or my wife's R1150R.
    Somers, NY

    Just enjoying the ride.......

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    This seductive wench keeps winking at me. Yikes !! Now there are TWO of them side by side. OMG !.

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