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    Quote Originally Posted by sibud View Post
    Not having the time right now to read all the posts, the questions I have are: Will it work on an R 1100 RT, how much does it cost, what else do I need to buy, when can I get one?
    It works on an R1100RT. Price is being finalized. If you add a BoosterPlug the benefit happens more quickly but it is not mandatory.

    Mixture richening by shifting the switching point of oxygen sensor has worked successfully on R1100s, R1150s, R1200s and F800s. The results reported in this thread have been consistent. Here is a good example from a rider of an R1100RT: Narrowband O2 Shift on R1100RT.

    The Narrowband shift device will soon be announced for the R1150 series, and then when OEM connectors are available (soon we hope) for R1100, R1200 and F800. There will likely be a generic cable at a lower cost that can be tapped onto a stock O2 sensor.

    Or you could purchase an innovate Motorsports LC-1 and adapt it as described here: Wideband Installation Overview/.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger 04 RT View Post
    It works on an R1100RT. Price is being finalized. If you add a BoosterPlug the benefit happens more quickly but it is not mandatory.

    Mixture richening by shifting the switching point of oxygen sensor has worked successfully on R1100s, R1150s, R1200s and F800s. The results reported in this thread have been consistent. Here is a good example from a rider of an R1100RT: Narrowband O2 Shift on R1100RT.

    The Narrowband shift device will soon be announced for the R1150 series, and then when OEM connectors are available (soon we hope) for R1100, R1200 and F800. There will likely be a generic cable at a lower cost that can be tapped onto a stock O2 sensor.

    Or you could purchase an innovate Motorsports LC-1 and adapt it as described here: Wideband Installation Overview/.

    RB
    Gotta tell ya that I'm not the brightest bulb on the porch when reading those posts with the wealth of info and data.

    I'm more of a plug and play kind of guy who would love a solution which would be simple to install and work w/o a lot of fiddling on my part.

    So when you have that ready to go, send me a PM with info and I'm in.
    I used to post here, but now I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sibud View Post
    Gotta tell ya that I'm not the brightest bulb on the porch when reading those posts with the wealth of info and data.

    I'm more of a plug and play kind of guy who would love a solution which would be simple to install and work w/o a lot of fiddling on my part.

    So when you have that ready to go, send me a PM with info and I'm in.
    I think your point of view reflects the view of the majority of BMW owners. When I realized that I contacted Steve Mullen at Nightrider.com and persuaded him to redesign his AF-XIED which is for Harleys, to a set of specs that would work for our bikes.

    I've tested the device on several motorcycles and it works. The greatest challenge to plug n play is coming up with a supply of the male and female O2 connectors.

    The other fly in the ointment is that BMW often locates the O2 connector under the fuel tank. Which means that even a simple device install requires tank removal. THANKS BMW.

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    Here's an update of where things stand with the Narrowband Shift device.

    1) A dozen first production run units and cables for R1150 (Motronic MA 2.4) will be ready for shipment sometime during the coming week. Many of those have been spoken for by beta-riders, etc. More on this during the week.

    2) We'll have a couple generic cables that I'll add BMS-K (R1200, F800) connectors to for further beta testing of these models. I don't expect any surprises. (See BMSK Proto Below)

    3) Connector supply for OEM parts seems to be progressing in the past week.

    4) Since the R1150 series is ready to ship, I've converted Proto 2 from 1150 to BMS-K and will beta test this on an F800GS. Because I have a reference LC-1 installation on an F800S I'm expecting this beta test to go well.

    We've got several R1200/F800 O2 sensors and I've been installing them on my R1150, with a Proto modified to have an R1200/F800 connector on the O2 side and R1150 connector on the MA 2.4 side. It ran just as well as the R1100, R1150 single-spark and R1150 dual-spark. A couple user beta tests and then it should be good to go.

    Here is a photo of the BMS-K beta unit that will ship out for beta riding for a couple weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger 04 RT View Post
    Here's an update of where things stand with the Narrowband Shift device.

    1) A dozen first production run units and cables for R1150 (Motronic MA 2.4) will be ready for shipment sometime during the coming week. Many of those have been spoken for by beta-riders, etc. More on this during the week.

    2) We'll have a couple generic cables that I'll add BMS-K (R1200, F800) connectors to for further beta testing of these models. I don't expect any surprises. (See BMSK Proto Below)

    3) Connector supply for OEM parts seems to be progressing in the past week.

    4) Since the R1150 series is ready to ship, I've converted Proto 2 from 1150 to BMS-K and will beta test this on an F800GS. Because I have a reference LC-1 installation on an F800S I'm expecting this beta test to go well.

    We've got several R1200/F800 O2 sensors and I've been installing them on my R1150, with a Proto modified to have an R1200/F800 connector on the O2 side and R1150 connector on the MA 2.4 side. It ran just as well as the R1100, R1150 single-spark and R1150 dual-spark. A couple user beta tests and then it should be good to go.

    Here is a photo of the BMS-K beta unit that will ship out for beta riding for a couple weeks.

    RB

    The F800GS beta unit is an important step in the BMW-AF-XIED(r) product testing since the F800 uses a BMSK controller. The installation took place and was successfully test ridden earlier this week. This is a pretty good indication that the R1200 beta will go smoothly.

    Here is a link to the early beta report: BMW-AF-XIED Beta on F800GS (photos included).

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    It's official now, Nightrider.com has gone into production on the BMW-AF-XIED with an R1150/Motronic MA 2.4 harness, and a you-do-it Universal Harness. Harnesses for R1100s, R1200s and F800s are in development and beta testing.

    As those who have been following the thread know, this device richens the Closed Loop mixture by shifting the stock narrowband sensor's output signal using digital signal processing technology.

    I'm sure there will be a formal announcement soon, and I expect to see a prominent BMW parts/accessories/add-ons retailer join the distribution channel.

    Nightrider ran a small production lot last week and has just kicked off a larger run. Here's a photo of some units I received today and a diagram of how elegantly the BMW-AF-XIED fits into the Motronic system.




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    Quote Originally Posted by sibud View Post
    Gotta tell ya that I'm not the brightest bulb on the porch when reading those posts with the wealth of info and data.

    I'm more of a plug and play kind of guy who would love a solution which would be simple to install and work w/o a lot of fiddling on my part.

    So when you have that ready to go, send me a PM with info and I'm in.
    A good point. Plug and play makes it easier to sell to the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger 04 RT View Post
    It's official now, Nightrider.com has gone into production on the BMW-AF-XIED with an R1150/Motronic MA 2.4 harness, and a you-do-it Universal Harness. Harnesses for R1100s, R1200s and F800s are in development and beta testing.

    As those who have been following the thread know, this device richens the Closed Loop mixture by shifting the stock narrowband sensor's output signal using digital signal processing technology.

    I'm sure there will be a formal announcement soon, and I expect to see a prominent BMW parts/accessories/add-ons retailer join the distribution channel.

    Nightrider ran a small production lot last week and has just kicked off a larger run. Here's a photo of some units I received today and a diagram of how elegantly the BMW-AF-XIED fits into the Motronic system.



    Roger, are you tied in with Nightrider some how? I'm always impressed with your command of the subject. I'm surprised about what appears to be a substantial amount of R&D effort for motorcycles no longer made. I hope it pays off for you financially.

    By the way, how does your (this?) product differ from a Dynojet Power Commander? Or, how is it different on R1100's specifically?

    Thank you for all of your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy walker View Post
    Roger, are you tied in with Nightrider some how? I'm always impressed with your command of the subject. I'm surprised about what appears to be a substantial amount of R&D effort for motorcycles no longer made. I hope it pays off for you financially.

    By the way, how does your (this?) product differ from a Dynojet Power Commander? Or, how is it different on R1100's specifically?

    Thank you for all of your input.
    The power commander III USB with Wideband O2 sensor is a good product but more than twice the price. Compared to the BMW-AF-XIED which only requires you to plug in on cable, the PC III requires you to drop the exhaust and replace the o2 sensor, connect to the TPS, and connect to both injectors.

    For a stock bike the BMW-AF-XIED does almost all of what the PC III does, which is to richen the mixture. Only if you want to program individual cells in the fuel matrix, would you want to consider PC III.

    I took this work on to improve my motorcycle and out of general interest in the area. i have learned a lot as I've gone along. Although I don't have a formal relationship with nightrider, they will defray some of my development costs.

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    In addition to the news that Nightrider.com has completed its first production,

    BeemerBoneyard.com, a well-known supplier on new and used BMW parts, has joined the BMW-AF-XIED marketing effort. I have heard they will have units ready for sale by July 22.

    RB


    Quote Originally Posted by roger 04 rt View Post
    It's official now, Nightrider.com has gone into production on the BMW-AF-XIED with an R1150/Motronic MA 2.4 harness, and a you-do-it Universal Harness. Harnesses for R1100s, R1200s and F800s are in development and beta testing.

    As those who have been following the thread know, this device richens the Closed Loop mixture by shifting the stock narrowband sensor's output signal using digital signal processing technology.

    I'm sure there will be a formal announcement soon, and I expect to see a prominent BMW parts/accessories/add-ons retailer join the distribution channel.

    Nightrider ran a small production lot last week and has just kicked off a larger run. Here's a photo of some units I received today and a diagram of how elegantly the BMW-AF-XIED fits into the Motronic system.


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    Beemer Boneyand will be setting up a Vendor thread on the ADVrider site, for support and Q&A, soon.

    In the meantime, I thought I'd report on the box of devices and cables that I received from Nightrider.com yesterday.

    Given the trusting soul that I am, I unpacked and connected all the BMW-AF-XIEDs that they shipped to me, and the R1150 harnesses too. I ran everyone on my bike after pulling the plastic. Then I connected my GS-911 and LC-1 and datalogged them.

    Everyone was spot-on. Great job Steve at Nightrider.com!

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    Congratulations are in order Roger. Your work on this project has been outstanding. It is great to see it coming to market and in a professional manner. Riding the beta unit on my 1100RT has me convinced this item is going to do very well once the word gets around.

    - Awesome Idea
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