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    Happy

    I was lucky enough to get one of the first AF-XiEd units.


    I have been running it for 2 days now and so far I am very happy.

    Bike: 2000 R1150GS with air intake sensor thermistor added (generic equiv to Ice Air, Recyclizer, etc, etc.)
    XiED setting @7
    Yellow Cat code plug (30-87)


    Have ridden about 200 miles and noted the following:

    Improved very smooth throttle response and less harshness.
    Surging is gone.
    Increased power at top end - easy to bounce off the rev limiter.
    Went from 89 octane to 87 - so far no pinging at 80f temps.
    Roll on is improved, even when the rpm is in the basement.
    Mileage has not really changed. (I have logged every litre I have ever burned)
    Engine idles very smooth and does not hunt up and down as it did before.
    Plug color is a nice tan - not white as before.
    Very easy plug and play installation.
    Change the AFR on the fly, very easy, all you need is a small screwdriver to tiddle a pot - no flea clip to loose.

    My feeling is the bike is happier at 14.1 AFR (instead of 14.7) and the bike is much more pleasant to ride. I KNOW this bike as I have had it since 2001 and the odometer presently sits at 245,000 km.
    I will be experimenting with lower ratios in the next few weeks, and going on a long trip. Will report my findings as they happen.

    NICE WORK ROGER & STEVE!!!!

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    Nice install FSAddict! I think your decision to run at setting 7 (about 14.1:1 or lambda 0.96) is only 4% more fuel added to the mixture ... and yet it transforms the bike. Many of us started at 4% and then tried higher. It will be interesting to see what works best for you.

    Credit for this goes to Steve Mullen at Nightrider too. The AF-XIED is his base design. Good guy, good businessman. He's just kicked off a larger run of devices.

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    So how much of the original Innovate Wide Band is used in the new device? Did you just get them to incorporate it? Or, is this a totally new product? Can't wait to see the R1200 unit. I just never had the time like this to devote to playing with this stuff, though it interests the heck out of me.
    John.

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    The BMW-AF-XIED is based on an established product but inrelated to the innovate Motorsports LC-1.

    The LC-1 makes readings of AFR from less than 12:1 to more than 17:1. It uses the Bosch LSU 4.2 Wideband Oxygen Sensor.

    The nightrider.com BMW-AF-XIED is a proprietary engine, that I specified, and that Steve Mullen of nightrider built. It uses your stock Narrowband O2 sensor to control AFR between 13.5:1 and 14.7:1.

    The BMW-AF-XIED is going into beta testing this week. Since the device is succeeding in beta now on an f800gs with BMSK ECU, I expect the 1200 will go well.

    Roger

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    On behalf of Beemer Boneyard and Nightrider, I set up a Vendor support thread here: BMW-AF-XIED Support.

    About 10 of the first production run units got shipped to me, so that all could be checked against my LC-1 before shipment and as a final QA on the production process.

    Some were shipped to beta testers who ordered them, some others went to support new F800 and R1200 beta tests.

    That leaves me with two BMW-AF-XIEDs and two Universal Cables. The Universal cables do no come with OEM connectors, but the cost less. To use the universal cable you cut two wires in the O2 Sensor cable, and make four Posilock connections (Posilock not included). It is very straightforward and can always be reversed.

    Since it will be a while before R1100, F800 and R1200 OEM connectors will be available for delivery, I can offer these two units with instructions for how to use the Universal Cable.

    Anyone interested could PM me.

    RB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger 04 RT View Post
    On behalf of Beemer Boneyard and Nightrider, I set up a Vendor support thread here: BMW-AF-XIED Support.

    About 10 of the first production run units got shipped to me, so that all could be checked against my LC-1 before shipment and as a final QA on the production process.

    Some were shipped to beta testers who ordered them, some others went to support new F800 and R1200 beta tests.

    That leaves me with two BMW-AF-XIEDs and two Universal Cables. The Universal cables do no come with OEM connectors, but the cost less. To use the universal cable you cut two wires in the O2 Sensor cable, and make four Posilock connections (Posilock not included). It is very straightforward and can always be reversed.

    Since it will be a while before R1100, F800 and R1200 OEM connectors will be available for delivery, I can offer these two units with instructions for how to use the Universal Cable.

    Anyone interested could PM me.

    RB
    Roger, how do you compare the Posilock connectors with a solder and heat shrink connection?

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    R1100 Series?

    Not sure if this has been answered before: Will the BMW-AF-XIEDs also be available for the R1100 series? I have a R1100R and would be interested in buying one unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy walker View Post
    Roger, how do you compare the Posilock connectors with a solder and heat shrink connection?
    Generally i prefer soldering but the O2 sensor gets its reference oxygen through the wires and if you solder them it will block that flow. Bosch uses posilock which is why I've suggested them. You could use other crimp type connections too.

    Quote Originally Posted by WENNEKER1 View Post
    Not sure if this has been answered before: Will the BMW-AF-XIEDs also be available for the R1100 series? I have a R1100R and would be interested in buying one unit.
    The BMW-AF-XIED has been tested on the 1100 and works great. We are still having a hard time finding a supply of OEM male/female connectors so it is being offered with a universal cable that you attach to your existing O2 sensor (no change to your motorcycle harness).

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    I heard from Nightrider and Beemer Boneyard that another batch of Controllers and R1150 cables will be available soon. R1200 cables are now in the design/check pipeline and should be available soon.

    R1100 connectors are a little further behind but a Universal Cable is offered. Below is a picture of how 3 of the 5 wires in the harness get connected to a stock O2 sensor in the absence of OEM Cables.

    It's pretty easy really. Four inches from the O2 Sensor Connector, cut the black wire crimp splice to each end of the black and tap connect to one of the white wires. One cut, three connections.

    The BMW-AF-XIED has a stock mode so you can return to stock without touching the cable.


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    "Generally i prefer soldering but the O2 sensor gets its reference oxygen through the wires and if you solder them it will block that flow. Bosch uses posilock which is why I've suggested them. You could use other crimp type connections too."

    What??? Maybe this needs some re-phrasing and/or clarification:
    Electricity goes through wires; oxygen goes through pipes. Connecting something to the O2 sensor's wiring doesn't block the exhaust flow, unless I'm forgetting something (which happens...).
    Posilocks (the "fold-over" things that slice through the insulation but hopefully not the wire, right?) would allow one to return to a previous setup, but historically, they're nowhere near as reliable as a soldered connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls1150 View Post
    "Generally i prefer soldering but the O2 sensor gets its reference oxygen through the wires and if you solder them it will block that flow. Bosch uses posilock which is why I've suggested them. You could use other crimp type connections too."

    What??? Maybe this needs some re-phrasing and/or clarification:
    Electricity goes through wires; oxygen goes through pipes. Connecting something to the O2 sensor's wiring doesn't block the exhaust flow, unless I'm forgetting something (which happens...).
    Posilocks (the "fold-over" things that slice through the insulation but hopefully not the wire, right?) would allow one to return to a previous setup, but historically, they're nowhere near as reliable as a soldered connection.
    I was going to say that didn't make sense...

    Solder hsould be a much better electrical connection than posilock, which is subject to corrosion, even as good as they are.

    Curious...

    Plus, waiting for the R1200 version!
    John.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger 04 RT View Post
    Thanks for the feedback on Innovate. Their website forum makes it seem like the products are hard to use. But it is my choice at the moment.

    There's a good package price now on the LC-1 with gauge. Now the same price as the MTX-L. I'm trying to find a dead O2 so I don't have to cut into my working unit.
    Over on the MS Forums, there was a discussion on different peoples experiences and satisfaction using the various brands of Wide Band O2 kits available which went quite far into the Inovate products. The concencus was around 50% satisfaction (post since been removed I suspect to keep things friendly).
    I myself have used both their LC1 and MTX-L (either of which will allow wide band and narrow band feedback to an ecu in addition of the gauge display). I found after a few years of motorbike tuning and trips that the LC1 decided not to recognize the 5 wire Bosch wide band sensor any more (I say this by reason of significant testing on that supposedly failed and expensive sensor by another brand named "14.7" - a smaller company but a very ergonomic and most affordable system). It would provide error codes indicating beyond range of operation amongst other things. I purchased the MTX-L next and it seems to be immune to those LC1 issues. Alan To @ 14.7 tested my original Bosch sensor, declared it fully functional, and sent it back to me along with a free gauge kit (his product has the controller built into gauge and is ultra compact). Naturally I was impressed with that. Operation of the 14.7 is very good.

    The below link relates to tuner discussion regarding the "14.7" products (called "Spartan" also)
    http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewto...?f=134&t=47127

    You may have made a product choice already, but just thought I'd post a few comments from my experience and others.
    Regards,
    Lorne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls1150 View Post
    "Generally i prefer soldering but the O2 sensor gets its reference oxygen through the wires and if you solder them it will block that flow. Bosch uses posilock which is why I've suggested them. You could use other crimp type connections too."

    What??? Maybe this needs some re-phrasing and/or clarification:
    Electricity goes through wires; oxygen goes through pipes. Connecting something to the O2 sensor's wiring doesn't block the exhaust flow, unless I'm forgetting something (which happens...).
    Posilocks (the "fold-over" things that slice through the insulation but hopefully not the wire, right?) would allow one to return to a previous setup, but historically, they're nowhere near as reliable as a soldered connection.
    I know that it sounds odd, and counter intuitive but it is clear in the Bosch instructions. The cell inside the O2 sensor has exhaust gas on one side, and fresh air on the other. The fresh air source for the cell inside the sensor comes through the spaces between the strands of wire. Apparently, if you solder the wires, solder wicks into the strands and blocks the flow of that fresh air. I'm just the messenger on this one, repeating what Bosch says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstrube View Post
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    Plus, waiting for the R1200 version!
    The BMW-AF-XIED works for many bikes now including R1100, R1150, F800, K1200LT & RS--only the OEM connectors to make it plug and play have been missing. A source of supply has been found for OEM connectors for the R1200 it should be confirmed and qualified fairly soon.

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    That is odd, but Thanks for the info & clarification. Learn sumpthin' new every day!

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