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    Near Miss

    The scene: SR 86, a two-lane state highway, at the intersection with Whiteface Mountain Ski Area, which is a Tee intersection, Wilmington, NY. SR 86 is a curvy road that follows the Ausable River. This is an obviously dangerous intersection as it is marked from both directions with the tee-intersection symbol signs with flashing yellow warning lights. I was headed for the KOA campground just past this intersection.

    I am riding my RT approaching the intersection, ski area driveway on my left. A knucklehead in an SUV is there, failing to come to a complete stop for his stop sign, the only control at that intersection. He is planning a left turn onto SR 86, is rolling slowly, and his vehicle is already arcing slightly left.

    What happened? His windshield post on his right is blocking his view of me on the RT. Because he did not come to a complete stop and is turning ever so slowly to his left, even as I progress forward his vision of me stays blocked because of the relative movement of his vehicle/blocking windshield post.

    He decides to go, putting his vehicle on a collision course with me; my speed 55 mph.

    Plan A: lay on the horn full blast. If I can slow his forward progress, I'll be through the intersection before he can cause the wreck.

    Plan B: if that doesn't work, I'll countersteer onto the right shoulder. Thank God, and some past governor for the fact that almost all state roads in New York have paved shoulders.

    Thank BMW for the super-loud dual Fiamms that came stock on my '03 RT. Plan A works, the perpetrator slows and a wreck is avoided. New York also widened that area of pavement at that intersection, which also provided more time and space to avoid collisions.

    I was fully prepared to execute Plan B had Plan A not worked.

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    Fake Baby Causes Crash

    OK, so it's not "motorcycle-related" or recent, but bears a view anyway...
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    No Helmet, not their fault but what difference does that make to your head

    PAW PAW, MI -- A man and woman from Paw Paw, both 54, were seriously injured Sunday when the motorcycle they were riding collided with a minivan on M-40. They were not wearing helmets. Both were in critical condition Monday morning, Deputy Jim Charon said.

    The man was driving and the woman was a passenger on a 2011 Harley Davidson motorcycle southbound, south of M-43, at shortly before 5 p.m. Sept. 29 when the northbound 1993 Mercury minivan turned left to enter a gas station, according to a news release from the Van Buren County Sheriff's Office.

    The motorcycle was unable to avoid striking the minivan; both people on the motorcycle were ejected.

    They both received serious injuries and were taken to Bronson Methodist Hospital in Kalamazoo. The driver of the minivan, a 38-year-old Indiana man, was also taken to the hospital complaining of chest pain.

    Alcohol is not a factor in this crash, authorities said.

    This is out in the county, and does have a stop light, I bet the MC had the green light.

    The investigation report will be sent to Van Buren County Prosecutors Office for review, authorities sai
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    One MC fault, One not

    SHERMAN, TX -- It was a dangerous day for motorcyclists, as authorities respond to a pair of accidents today.

    The latest happened around 5:30 p.m. on F.M. 1417, outside the Shadow Mountain Village community. First responders tell us a car was turning into the trailer park, when the motorcycle rear-ended it.

    The biker was wearing a helmet, but still suffered head injuries. He was taken by helicopter to Plano in critical condition.

    The road was shut down at the accident scene between Highway 75 and Highway 11 for a time on Friday evening while police investigated the crash.

    Earlier in the day, another motorcyclist was injured during a separate crash on a different part of F.M. 1417. It happened around 8:30 a.m. on Friday at the intersection with Plainview Road.

    Jesse Elliott, 46, of Pottsboro, was headed south and trying to turn left into a business, when a car suddenly rear-ended him, police said.

    He was not wearing a helmet and was flown to Plano in critical condition. Elliott is part of a local motorcycle group called Texoma ABATE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miairhead View Post
    Jesse Elliott, 46, of Pottsboro, was headed south and trying to turn left into a business, when a car suddenly rear-ended him, police said.
    That sounds familiar. No doubt the car driver was busy texting or yapping about SFA.

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    Hi I guess I should share my story

    Hi Everyone

    I've had time lately to read a lot and have gone through this thread in particular. I think its great to share experiences for a few reasons. Lessons to be learned we hope, and it can be carthodic as in my case. A little history, I bought an RT new in 08 and managed to put about 90k km on it thus far. The RT is a model of brilliant engineering, they just got it right. I've ridden it through some of the best biking roads in north america and rented RT's in Europe to ride in the moutain passes of Spain, Italy and Portugal. Even blasted some crazy laps of the Isle of Man on one....was a hoot. Its a very confidence inspiring bike and much sportier than most presume. It can be ridden to the cylinder heads in the corners narry a problem, I've done it countless times. Yet I can do 1000 km's a day on it no problem. I have ridden since I was 14 and am much older now....just hit the big 5 0 recently. I had a lil slide when I was younger and learned about road rash. Since then I always wore good gear I most recently ride with a Schuberth C3 Pro helmet, I found a very nice V-star mesh jacket with C4 armour a few years ago that go with my BMW Santiago pants. I recently went from Santiago boots to the urban version of BMW high boot, apologies I forget their name.

    Four weeks ago to the day I was out for a quick ride to get a latte (beautiful sunny day about 23 c). I should mention I am in Edmonton Canada. I was just back from a ride of around 4000 km the long weeekend before through interior BC. Amazing biking roads and weather. I normally ride Micheline Pilot Sport 2's and have always liked them. Good mileage and great traction for the riding I do but I changed them over to a new set of 3's and rode those the weekend previous. They still had good life on them as I had looked them over just before hopping on the bike. Well after my latte it was time to pop in for a visit and a sip with a friend. So I hopped on the bike...left a parking lot, left turn at a light....little bit of straight away (highway) to a ramp (a 270 degree climbing sweeeper with great paved surface). Cars were in front of a me a bit ahead and behind so I couldn't go as fast as I like to on that ramp. I gave a few weaves in my lane just to warm the tires ... bit of a habit, acclerated a bit and entered the ramp. I honestly do not know my speed, my guestimate appr 100kph, again taken this corner way faster.

    I started to lean the corner and in a flash, both tires lost traction. I came down hard with a low side on my right. I was in shock and couldn't believe what was happening, bike parts started to spray my helmet. My hands freed of the bars and I started to seperate from the bike. The bike hit the side of the road, both tires dug in, and it violently high sided.

    Unfotunately I wasn't clear of the bike yet. I was tossed like a rag doll. Its hard to describe the violence of it. I only saw rapid glympses of sky and earth and then the battering began as I struck the ground.and tumbled over and over and over. I felt my helmet hitting hard and I felt every bit of armour on my body being pummeled. I was completely at the mercy of the laws of gravity and dynamics. At one point I felt my whole back plate stiking my complete back. I have never been so helpless in my life. I wanted blackness as it seemed it would never end, after what seemed and eternity I stopped in a heap.

    The pain was instanteously all over my body and I could not move. I am not sure if I did or did not black out at this point. But very quickly it seemed I heard the voices of people coming to my aid. Complete strangers. I could only see sky through my helmet portal...and could not move to look. I tried to unfold but nothing would work. Again the pain was overpowering. I heard "I'm a nurse!!" Other voices giving me words of reassurance. Some one screaming "Do not remove his helmet ! They gingerly moved me a bit.....and it hurt. Then the sound of sirens. The voices stayed with me calming voices. Then the voices of the paramedics. I was given something for the pain, then a painful move to a back board where they taped my head to it with my helmet still on. A bouncy painful trip and I was in an ambulance for a mad dash to the hospital. I learned later from my friend at the scene that it was being treated as a fatality crash site. I was in rough shape.

    In the ambulance they needed to take off my right boot. Seems my foot was pinted 180 degrees the wrong way. They told me they needed to. I couldn't see anything but knew it was going to hurt. I said do what you need to to cut them off. The paramedic was adiment in his response. "No way man! Those boots saved your feet. I'm gunna save those boots!" He got it off and the other later. The other foot was pointing straight out. Hurt like hell but the boots apparently are good. At the hospital I was rushed from one room to another getting xrays, ct scans and all sorts of examinations. At no point was my helmet removed. Not until later a spinal expert showed up and assessed the situation only then once he cleared it did they remove the helmet.

    What was the damage...well I was tossed approximately 100 feet fortunately into an open field. Both I and the bike bounced vilolently, I am not sure if it hit me while tumbling. I stopped about 20 yards past the bike. My right ankle was shattered with the foot pointing down. Left foot multiple boken bones in the heal and foot and it was grossly dislocated. Several broken ribs on my right side, two broken fingers in my left hand. My left knee, torn mcl, and acl and my right mcl tears, punctured lung and my liver took a hit. The bike, my pride and joy, is totalled.

    Well on the nice side of things.....I am alive for one reason only. I was wearing good gear. There is no doubt it saved my life. I had no head injuries or spinal injuries. The helmet did its job as did the armour. I did get some road rash on my right arm and right knee and both sets of fingers. That day I did not wear my bike pants as I was not going far so wore blue jeans. I wore half gloves as it was a nice day and do in good weather.

    I have had surgery on my ankle and the kings men put humpty back together again. I am amazed as it was nothing but bone shards. Lots of titanium bits n screws involved. I am currently in hospital I can not put weight on my feet and both are casted up with a knee brace on me left leg. I am healing and feel so fortunate, I will walk again with full mobility so they say time will tell. This could have been so much worse. In two weeks I find out if I can put weight on anything yet. I am working my physio agressively every day and feel good.

    Lessons I've learned....gear....OMG. Can't emphasize it enough gear is worth the money. If you go down, try to get away from the bike. Things happen fast, it needs to be reflex. I was in such disbelief I don't think I reacted fast enough, had I cleared the bike....maybe my damages would not have been so bad. As for the cause, yes I was riding faster than the posted speed but not excessive for the type of curve it was at all. I do not recall seeing anything on the road and have a lot of time to think of it. The tires were probably cold but I was not putting excessive lean on them There are two perfect skid marks from the tires. At this point I am not sure why it happened and it is a bit unsettling.

    I love riding too much to quit. When seeing a picture of how far I flew from the road I did have an epiphany. I may change my riding style to take in more of the view now. I have had my spirited fun. If anyone knows anything about the 2014 RT... I am all ears. I know I could get a deal on a 2013....but the new toys eww la laaaaaa.

    I hope someone gleems something from my incident. I think this thread is an excellant forum. Enjoy riding, respect riding, live to ride another day.

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    Todd it is good to hear you are on a path to recovery. Your story was so well written that I developed some rather vivid images of the accident; thanks for sharing your story. I, and many others, will be anxious to hear if you determine a likely cause of the accident.
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    Wow, what a story! Glad you are well enough to share the story with us and that you will be able to ride again some day.

    Wishing you a speedy and full recovery.
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    Wishing you a speedy recovery! Thanks for sharing the story. . .
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    Hey Yammer - I will be In YEG this weekend and would to check into that location to see if I can get clues as to what may have led to this crash. If you see this PM the address. Thanks.
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    Hi Bogthebasher

    Thanks for the responses and words of encouragement.

    Bog that is cool. Its the west bound to southbound ramp from 100 ave to Anthony Hendy. I think the skid marks are still there and you can see the ambulance tire tracks and divets from the bike bouncing. Nice to get a rider's perspective. The feedback I've gotten so far is from non bikers....the main theme is holy crap you went a long ways...LOL. It started maybe 1/3 into the ramp...bike clipped the first sign.

    Interesting detail the next week at the ramp at calling wood.... two south of this one.....another bike wreck. Got me thinking is there a possability they did some type of road treatment to the surface that slicked it up. I question it because I am baffled how fast both tires literally flew out. Again...I have ridden very spirited and on many occasions have ridden the tires to max limit. I've always been that way. Was such a suprise.

    Either way hope you have a nice trip and look forward to any info you got.

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    Crash Site Review

    I had a chance to look at the site today with my report below. This is my observations only of the conditions as they are now:

    General Notes: That the rider was originally parked in a parking lot between 100 Ave. and Stoney Plain Rd. having a coffee, exited north and turned left onto Stoney Plain Rd., then headed west to Anthony Henday Dr. intending to exit to his right onto Anthony Henday Dr. South. It is one of two 270 degree exits at that intersection (the other exits 100 Ave heading East to join Anthony Henday North). Note that I was not on my motorcycle while negotiating these roads but was in my BMW 320i car and went over the same road two times, once at 70Kph and the second time at 80kph making observations by myself and my passenger. The 80kph run felt more aggressive than I would normally drive (in a car).

    Weather Today was bright sunny and dry with temperatures around +10C so visibility and road conditions were excellent but not at all 'sticky' or nearly as warm (+23C) experienced by the OP. Signs of skids are no longer visible (one month since event).

    Signage: The exit to the Anthony Henday is marked extremely conservatively with a 40 Kph (yellow) sign - I would have expected a sign normally in the 60-80Kph range.

    Road: This is a very wide exit lane - really a lane and a half of what appears to be consistent and smooth pavement currently devoid of dust, or debris such as sand or gravel. The banking and curve feel consistent throughout the full 270 degrees of the turn. At about 1/4 to 1/3 of the arc there is a ripple in the pavement across the entire lane that was not visible to either myself or my passenger but which did cause the car to 'twitch' noticeably as both the front and rear wheels of my car went over it on the 80Kph run.

    Opinions/Other:
    The distance from the place where parked to where the crash occurred was roughly 1Km which means under normal conditions the tires may not have been up to their optimum stickiness although the OP noted 'weaving' to add heat to the tires so that has to be factored in. Also unknown (at this point) was the tire pressure of both front and rear on the day of the crash which would have influence on traction. IMO it may be possible that the combination of tire pressure, tire temperature and an imperfection of pavement could have caused a temporary loss of traction for the OP at a speed of 100Kph. I really have no technical training to understand whether both wheels would lose traction so suddenly due to that but have observed this happen in very cold conditions around 0C (definitely not the temperature of the crash for the OP). I was unable to take pictures of this area as it is a freeway on-ramp.

    I hope some find this helpful to gain understanding of the conditions for the crash site but do not feel it provides anything near the kind of information to understand root cause to learn from which is what the spirit of thread is about.

    Thanks, Ken.
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    fwiw, weaving will not appreciably warm the tires to any greater degree than will riding in a straight line, most certainly not with only a 1km distance to get things going. if there was no other warm up generated- riding several miles, sitting in hot sun for a length of time, etc.- then those tires were functionally cold at the time of the crash.
    it's been mentioned twice now, so thought it prudent to dispel that notion.
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    Exclamation Scary one in North Georgia..

    While doing the "5 Corners of Georgia" ride challenge this past weekend I was overtaken by a couple of dentally-challenged locals in a raggedy-arsed pickup truck. A few seconds later they hit a bump in the road, causing the contents of the truck bed (no tailgate) to spew out onto the road and slide rapidly towards me and by beloved K bike. The car next to me had no choice but to run over an assortment of scrap metal, I was fortunate to avoid the trucks tailgate that had been lying unattached in the bed of the vehicle but came shooting across the asphalt like the proverbial "$hit off a hot shovel" but the poor guy in the SUV behind me had no option but to crunch over the top of it.
    Be careful out there,
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    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by bogthebasher View Post
    I had a chance to look at the site today with my report below. This is my observations only of the conditions as they are now:

    General Notes: That the rider was originally parked in a parking lot between 100 Ave. and Stoney Plain Rd. having a coffee, exited north and turned left onto Stoney Plain Rd., then headed west to Anthony Henday Dr. intending to exit to his right onto Anthony Henday Dr. South. It is one of two 270 degree exits at that intersection (the other exits 100 Ave heading East to join Anthony Henday North). Note that I was not on my motorcycle while negotiating these roads but was in my BMW 320i car and went over the same road two times, once at 70Kph and the second time at 80kph making observations by myself and my passenger. The 80kph run felt more aggressive than I would normally drive (in a car).

    Weather Today was bright sunny and dry with temperatures around +10C so visibility and road conditions were excellent but not at all 'sticky' or nearly as warm (+23C) experienced by the OP. Signs of skids are no longer visible (one month since event).

    Signage: The exit to the Anthony Henday is marked extremely conservatively with a 40 Kph (yellow) sign - I would have expected a sign normally in the 60-80Kph range.

    Road: This is a very wide exit lane - really a lane and a half of what appears to be consistent and smooth pavement currently devoid of dust, or debris such as sand or gravel. The banking and curve feel consistent throughout the full 270 degrees of the turn. At about 1/4 to 1/3 of the arc there is a ripple in the pavement across the entire lane that was not visible to either myself or my passenger but which did cause the car to 'twitch' noticeably as both the front and rear wheels of my car went over it on the 80Kph run.

    Opinions/Other:
    The distance from the place where parked to where the crash occurred was roughly 1Km which means under normal conditions the tires may not have been up to their optimum stickiness although the OP noted 'weaving' to add heat to the tires so that has to be factored in. Also unknown (at this point) was the tire pressure of both front and rear on the day of the crash which would have influence on traction. IMO it may be possible that the combination of tire pressure, tire temperature and an imperfection of pavement could have caused a temporary loss of traction for the OP at a speed of 100Kph. I really have no technical training to understand whether both wheels would lose traction so suddenly due to that but have observed this happen in very cold conditions around 0C (definitely not the temperature of the crash for the OP). I was unable to take pictures of this area as it is a freeway on-ramp.

    I hope some find this helpful to gain understanding of the conditions for the crash site but do not feel it provides anything near the kind of information to understand root cause to learn from which is what the spirit of thread is about.

    Thanks, Ken.
    Very informative. Thanks for taking the time. I have Since been healing up and managed to get taken to the site. Was a bit unsettling to say the least. Can't believe how far I flew. I've since heard from a witness who happened to be looking at the time it happened and all he saw was me cartwheeling through the air then bouncing and tumbling like crazy. That explains all the sky and earth I saw I guess LOL. Either way after looking it all over all I can come up with something must have been on the road. Pretty amazed as I literally threaded a needle between two substantial sign posts. Looks like the back of the bike clipped one of them....the strange thing none of us can figure out how I stopped where I did. I was in a totally unexpected place quite an angle from the bike.

    Pretty emotional to be back at the scene but I needed to do it. On the good news front. I stood up for the first time on Tuesday and have taken some wobbly steps since. I've been cleared to weight bear on one leg.....I'm working to get on crutches. Its looking good.

    Everyone be safe out there.

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