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    Repair Manuals

    Clymer or Haynes for a mid 90's R1100?

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    Each is about 90% of the whole picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaasu View Post
    Clymer or Haynes for a mid 90's R1100?
    For what you'll save in labour costs, why not get both? I mostly use Clymers for servicing my R & K bikes, but when something doesn't quite compute, I flip open a Haynes for different approach to enlightenment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_F View Post
    For what you'll save in labour costs, why not get both? I mostly use Clymers for servicing my R & K bikes, but when something doesn't quite compute, I flip open a Haynes for different approach to enlightenment.
    Funny, but I use Haynes mostly and Clymer as a backup.

    I also have the F650, K1200LT, R1150R, R1100S and F800S-ST factory repair CDs and a factory R1100RS-GS paper manual.
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    I much prefer Haynes...by far...however, the more recent Clymers seem to be a lot better than what they were, but I agree with the guys that if you want the very best, you get the factory manual and both Haynes and Clymers...there are gaps in each of the manuals that the others help fill in...

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    Any thoughts on the maintenance DVDs for a BMW neophyte?

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    I have a 94 R1100RS that I purchased new in 94. At the time there was no "factory" manual and neither Haynes nor Clymers had manuals. A user-generated set of service procedures evolved.

    Since then a CD with the factory manual has been released and there are both decent Haynes and Clymers manuals. I have all of them. However, most of the time I rely on my copy of the user-generated set of procedures (in which I've made my own notes in the margins).

    The IBMWR has individual procedures and a pdf of the evolved procedures manual.
    http://ibmwr.org/r-tech/oilheads/index.shtml
    http://ibmwr.org/r-tech/oilheads/R11...ce_2-25-02.pdf

    An earlier version of the oilhead procedures manual is here -
    http://www.ketchum.org/BMWmc/R1100.pdf

    MaxBMW has the BMW R1100 repair manual on CD -
    Part # 01790023065 CD REPAIR MANUAL R850-1100RS/GS/RT/R - D/GB/F/E/I/NL/P $73.88
    http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fic...6&rnd=03192010

    The Haynes and Clymers manuals are available from WhiteHorsePress and other sources -
    http://www.whitehorsegear.com/bmw-r8...anual-19932004
    http://www.whitehorsegear.com/bmw-r8...anual-19932005

    I found a BMW service bulletin here -
    http://nmpcs.com/r11r/surge.pdf

    I've not seen the R1100 maintenance DVD, but it is available here -
    http://www.cyclenutz.com/BMW-R1100R1...DVD_p_125.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkoreis View Post
    Paul

    Any thoughts on the maintenance DVDs for a BMW neophyte?
    The DVSs come in two varieties or generations if you will. The earlier ones are .pdf files that you read on-screen like a book. You can jump to pages from the contents pages. I have these stored on my laptop. The latest one I have - F800 series - is interactive and must be in the drive. This makes it a lot less useful on my laptop (on the road for example) because the laptop lacks an optical drive.

    They all presume a basic knowledge, but are excellent for sequences and specifications.
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    I forgot to mention that the BMW CD-based service / repair manual does not contain the wiring diagram. I don't know why, but it is necessary to purchase the wiring diagram separately. This wiring diagram is also available on CD -
    Part # 01797720399 CD SLP 2.2 WIRING DIAGRAM - MJ 1993-2008 $75.77

    The BMW manual has quite a number of line drawings (vs photos) that simplify the system and parts discussed. The CDs that I obtained had the pdf files to which pglaves makes reference. These pdf files can be easily copied to a netbook (or other electronic device) and perhaps that is why a less easily copyable version emerged.

    In the early days of the oilhead the BMW shops also lacked a formal repair manual. There was a notebook assembled with some versions of the illustrations that eventually made it to the formal manual. Also contained in the notebook were notes from the training provided to the dealership mechanics. I understand that some early oilhead owners were able to obtain copies of this notebook (or some subset thereof). I expect that such a notebook would have proved useful, and perhaps continues to be used by some.

    One should also take care to distinguish between a CD-based manual which has text and illustrations of service procedures and a DVD video that illustrates selected maintenance steps. The DVD cited in my prior post is the video. The CDs shown are much more expensive and contain more service procedures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    The latest one I have - F800 series - is interactive and must be in the drive. This makes it a lot less useful on my laptop (on the road for example) because the laptop lacks an optical drive.
    If you have enough disk space on your laptop you can copy the entire RepROM to your hard drive and run it that way. At least you could do that on my '07 R1200 version. It took a good 4 ~ 6 hours to copy the data. It was well worth the time.

    I copied the contents of the DVD to a folder named C:\RepROM

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Funny, but I use Haynes mostly and Clymer as a backup.

    I also have the F650, K1200LT, R1150R, R1100S and F800S-ST factory repair CDs and a factory R1100RS-GS paper manual.
    I have a service DVD for each bike, as well as a R1100 factory CD (copied onto my computer). A small video player is kept in the garage for viewing the discs. Having no mechanical background before acquiring the K in '04, I need all the help that I can find. Sure wish I had what a buddy has in his garage; a small furnace for doing projects in the cooler/cold weather and a lift. One day I hope to be able to go from servicing the bikes to gaining confidence to doing actual repairs.
    Paul
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