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    I simply try to avoid places where lane splitting would be of any advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I simply try to avoid places where lane splitting would be of any advantage.
    OK, then what do you feel about passing on the double yellow (when safe ) now that the single white line isn't even remembered by most.

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    Yep, that sounds like the Massachusetts I remember. I remember the guys who had a traffic dispute going until one shot the other with a crossbow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I simply try to avoid places where lane splitting would be of any advantage.


    Would that we could all be so lucky!

    Yeah, I'd like to ride on uncrowded highways all the time, too...
    ...Wait a minute, I do. It's called Saskatchewan.

    Did get down to California a couple of times this summer though, and ran into lots of instances of m/c lanesplitting (didn't have to do it myself, however). Since then I've been discussing it with a long time friend and past co-chief instructor of the CDN m/c safety program. He was the one who brought the article to my attention.

    To me (and not speaking on behalf of any organization), to deny it is to negate one of a motorcyclist's main safety advantages; namely the ability to maneuver in more restrictive places. Having ridden in Europe (albeit quite a long time ago, though I suspect it hasn't changed),it seemed the only reason to be riding a m/c is to get out in front and get out of the way. In a legitimate debate about the motorcyclist's safety, I'm confident that I can produce an overwhelming argument in favor of the practice.

    But in any legislation or enforcement of this issue, the decisions will not likely be made by m/c sympatico people, nor likely to be based on any valid supporting evidence. That a study has been commissioned to look into it, is heartening. It is disappointing to see it has already been cut considerably before it's launched, though. I'm looking forward to the study's findings, but not holding my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marchyman View Post
    OK, then what do you feel about passing on the double yellow (when safe ) now that the single white line isn't even remembered by most.
    Been known to do it in those states/counties that use the perpetual double yellow zones based on sight distances computed for overloaded log trucks going up hill passing old Winnebagos, or vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marchyman View Post
    OK, then what do you feel about passing on the double yellow (when safe ) now that the single white line isn't even remembered by most.
    Some holier-than-thou's in The Perfect Line claim to have never crossed a solid line.. ever. They must not have been to any sort of park or mountain pass. As Paul eluded, Winnebago's be damned..

    But, if it ever causes me to get a ticket, I won't be crying about it. I know what I shouldn't be doing (most of the time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydrummerdude View Post
    But, if it ever causes me to get a ticket, I won't be crying about it. I know what I shouldn't be doing (most of the time).
    My last moving violation was for 70 in a 55. The CHP who wrote the ticket also noted that I was on the wrong side of the double yellow at the time. What he did not do, however, was check the little box that said "infraction". Seems like he didn't think it was a big deal, either.

    Needless to say I paid the fine and took traffic school. I didn't want to give him a chance to change his mind in court!

    And I think that all of California has double yellows "based on sight distances computed for overloaded log trucks going up hill passing old Winnebagos". I always thought it was a federal standard.

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    Just another tool in the tool box where it is legal.
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    What is legal and that which flat out makes sense are not always the same. We have zero red lights here in my county and it sure isn't Saskatchewan! What we do have is twisty 2 lanes marked with double yellow in some straightaways and some curves(and the pennant shaped "No Passing" signs); the original guy that decided when to start and stop the paint stripe machine was obviously an idiot! Hills and log trucks don't seem to figure into the equation so much as no logic at all for maybe 1/4th of the pass/nopass zones.
    Lane sitting on slabs, mentioned above, is now illegal in KY(when we see this, the inside joke is, that they must be from Ohio-& it seems to be true for some reason) and no one seems to enforce or avoid the violation. Not this thread but I've got to say it; on a recent trip to Lex,KY I watched 3 blatant,not sort of, red light runners and that seems to be the norm. It has caused us to absolutely clear the intersection prior to moving in. Bikes beware the times have changed! Texting, now illegal has not abated either! Now back to lane splitting-I'll do when I have to to keep my bike from overheating vs. sitting on the side of the road on that shoulder, vulnerable to some idiot zooming along.
    Yesterday we were on a sorta freeway-ala, eastern KY style, called the Mountain Parkway. It is 2 lane/4 lane, & mostly no side traffic. They were grinding the shoulder in bad spots and repaving. The state hwy guy with a radio had traffic backed up into a blind curve(behind us!) and there were ~ 25 cars in front of us. There was a passing lane on my left and a shoulder on my right.and oncoming traffic streaming by in the oncoming lane. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Sit there-passing lane-or shoulder and advance?

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    Like others from CA have said, there are a few car/truck drivers who will try to close the gap on you, but most are courteous and widen it a little to let a bike by.

    My daily commute takes me along about 40 miles of expressway and 15 of small town and country road. Of the highway driving, about half of it is in urban area prone to stop-n-go or slow-n-go traffic during the normal commute hours.

    I split lanes in these situations regularly. I ride an RT, so it isn't small. But so do the CHP motor officers, and those guys split lanes at full highway speeds. I will normally do so when traffic is moving 30 or less, but occasionally when I can see a big gap in traffic ahead, and a couple of knuckleheads otherwise holding up traffic - slow folks in the fast lanes.

    The ability to split has allowed me to get out of situations where I'm being unduly crowded from behind. One needs to be vigilant and have full control of the bike at all times. Do it with knowledge of the potential hazards, and it's no less safe to me or other motorists than is keeping a place in traffic, tucked between tightly packed cars and at times less visible than when between lanes.

    As in any other traffic situation, proceed with caution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 460Jetboat View Post
    I really think the police should start giving tickets for not yielding the left lane to traffic.
    i believe that you could pay off the national debt with just this infraction alone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewmeister View Post
    I have never lane split before when I was in California this past summer,it scares the crap out of me. I like to keep a "bubble" around me.
    whatever you do, don't go ride in mexico.

    there, other drivers only give you as much space as you need and feel no compunction about driving *right* up next to you.

    this is particularly true in the cities, but you can get quite a surprise in the countryside, too.

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    When I commuted into Massachusetts on route 3, I used to lane split every time the collective mass of cages decided to hold an unscheduled brake testing event. I wasn't trying to pass cars, I was just looking for a place to hide. It was not unusual to look back and see the car that had been behind me about 1/2 of a motorcycle length behind the car I had been following.

    I commuted on Rt 3 for close to 20 years and almost every day traffic would come to a screeching halt for no discernible reason. Since I used to see the same cars day after day, I began to suspect that there were a couple of select morons who did the same stupid maneuver everyday and triggered a 10 mile traffic backup.

    I would have liked to lane split to pass cars, but drivers in Eastern Mass. are highly proprietary and competitive about their place in line. At that time, the use of turn indicators was nearly unknown since signaling for a lane change would invariably cause a car in the other lane to accelerate and block your lane change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brewmeister View Post
    I have never lane split before when I was in California this past summer,it scares the crap out of me. I like to keep a "bubble" around me.
    California is scary period! Too many people and too many cars!
    And don't take this as a slap in the face,just an observation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kantuckid View Post
    California is scary period! Too many people and too many cars!
    And don't take this as a slap in the face,just an observation...
    Get out of the Bay Area or So Cal and it is mostly empty.


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