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    Quote Originally Posted by dbaliko View Post
    I can tell that this is not going to be a very comfortable hot weather helmet as it doesn't have a whole lot of air flow. Overall I'm quite pleased with the comfort, fit, and how quiet it is.

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    Doug, you say it does NOT have a lot in the way of airflow? I thought that was one of the big improvements of the C3 over the C2. Could it be your windscreen blocking the airflow that the vents need in order to work?

    Adequate venting is a big issue for me. My Nolan N103 is okay in all categories save that one, and so I was looking at the C3 for a replacement.

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    I actually think the airflow on the C3 is much better than the N103 ( I own both) The C3 has a large front inlet that directs air up across the visor and around your face front. On very cold days with my nolan I would have to crack the visor significantly to avoid fogging... no such problems with the C3. You can also very slightly crack the C3 visor and ride at high speeds, something you cant do with the nolan.

    The top vent on the C3 flows air right onto your skulltop, and it all flow out the back bottom of the helmet. It is also configurable not just with the external switch, but with a flap of fabric under the liner. If you fold it one way it block the inlets, folded the other way exposes them... this may be why the one poster is not getting the expected flow.

    When you take a C3 all the way apart, you will see some very significant planning and engineering went into the inner shell and lining to optimize airflow if you want it.

    Right now riding in the 30-50s, I really am enjoying the extended chin curtain and neck roll. They merge perfectly with my gerbing jacket and aerostich suit and I get no cold air in or around the bottom of the helmet.

    I have only one real complaint on the C3 after about 2 months and 2500 miles. The cable that is used to charge the SRC system has to go somewhere when the helmet is on, and there isnt rightly a place for it... I usually just have it dangle 6 inches out the back of the helmet. If I try to find a spot under the liner or around the neck roll, the mini USB connection at the end is just to bulky and ends up being uncomfortable.

    Still love this helmet... rode with my Nolan N103 last week because it was raining, and quickly decided I would rather let the C3 get wet than ride with the N103 again.
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    C3 using full AutoCom system

    I bought a C3 from Long Beach BMW about three weeks ago to use for road trips instead of the Shoei Hornet DS I've been wearing for on and off road. My primary reason for the purchase was noise reduction as I'm having some non-moto related medical problems with my left ear.

    The C3 is clearly quieter and lighter as it should be. When I stand up on the pegs in the wind at 70-80 mph the sound is a pure swish. I still get some buffeting while seated but still much quieter than the Hornet... as it should be.

    This is my first modular helmet and I really like it as it allows me to have a quick snack, sip of water and speak to others while stopped.

    The sliding dark visor is awesome! Great feature and I no longer have to start or end a day in the dark with a dark visor. I'd probably never want a system without this in the future it's that good and smart.

    The included built-in Pinlock system seemed to work while I was in LA near humidity in the mornings and night but I live in Las Vegas so fogging is practically impossible here. The downside of the Pinlock were the extreme double imaging of bright lights at night. That might be a better choice than fogging but otherwise I can't ride at night with the Pinlock shield installed. Simple to pop out.

    My first comm system was a Bluetooth Scala and it was way too temperamental for me, when it worked it worked great but if you didn't start up and shut down in an exact procedure it would flake out.

    About six months ago I switched to Autocom from RocketMoto.com who provides excellent product and support. There's more work to the install but the ease of use and flexibility is superior IMHO. My iPhone 4 still connects to my ZUMO 550 via Bluetooth and the ZUMO is hardwired to the Autocom as is my Valentine radar detector.

    Back to the C3, the interior padding of the helmet is more complex than the Hornet but Schuberth molded handy speaker indents into the ear pocket which made speaker placement a breeze. Setting up any helmet for good audio and efficient wiring is a task to do right and the C3 was no exception.

    As for ventilation, I definitely have serious doubts as to the viability of the C3 here in the desert Southwest when the temps hit 100-115 deg F. So far I've ridden across the Mohave from Vegas to LA twice in temps from 80-90 degs and this helmet is warmer than my Hornet; likely attributed to the noise reducing full neck seal and smaller vents.

    So, I'm 100% happy and hope that I'll find a cool-fix for the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobStar View Post
    As for ventilation, I definitely have serious doubts as to the viability of the C3 here in the desert Southwest when the temps hit 100-115 deg F. So far I've ridden across the Mohave from Vegas to LA twice in temps from 80-90 degs and this helmet is warmer than my Hornet; likely attributed to the noise reducing full neck seal and smaller vents.
    You do know that this is removable, right?

    It makes quite a difference in warm weather. I only use it in cooler temperatures otherwise it's never on. It is quieter with it on but it's far more comfortable when the weather heats up.
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    For the full story on the C3, see Rob Nye's excellent article in this month's Owners' News.
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    Chris,

    I just discovered this thread and have a question for you. (I plan on getting a C3 and a C3W later this spring).

    You mentioned you had to load music to the Zumo to get it to the C3. I also have an i-phone (3GS) with my music on i-tunes. I have not been able to figure out how to get the i-tunes music to the mp3-based Zumo 660. Neither Apple nor Garmin have responded to my inquiries.

    How do you accomplish this task? Any info would be very appreciated, either via forum or PM.

    Thanks so much!

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    Chris,

    You mentioned you had to load music to the Zumo to get it to the C3. I also have an i-phone (3GS) with my music on i-tunes. I have not been able to figure out how to get the i-tunes music to the mp3-based Zumo 660. Neither Apple nor Garmin have responded to my inquiries.

    How do you accomplish this task?
    Garmin and Apple don't want to talk to you, because they want you to each use their competing product exclusively. But there is a way.

    Check and see what the file format is in iTunes --- if its unprotected file format you can convert it directly to mp3. If it is a protected format, you have to use 3rd party ripper software or you have to burn the music onto a cd, then reimport the music off the CD into mp3 format. Much better explanation can be found here: http://www.tech-faq.com/convert-itunes-to-mp3.html

    Big lesson for all: Don't buy music on iTunes. ITunes music can only play on apple devices... MP3s are an open standard that all music players can play. Use Amazon which has DRM-free (unprotected) MP3 files for the same or cheaper cost. MP3s purchased on amazon import directly into iTunes and work on all devices apple or not

    I learned this leson the hard way. After some considerable time and effort I know have all my music in mp3 format, so I can just hook the zumo up to my computer, and drag the files on to the memory card and they are there... I also listen to audiobooks on long rides, so I sync those to the zumo via audible's program no problem.

    For short rides, the GPS really is just a visual cue for me, and I skip its audio all together, and use my iPhone for music and phone paired directly to the helmet vs paired to the zumo then helmet.

    Another thing to think about... I have a ram mount on my brake reservoir.. on it is a bracket to hold my iphone. I can now use it for GPS moving map with instructions via an app, and play music, take phone calls etc. You have to interact with it glove-off due to the nature of the screen, but this forces me to only fool with it when I am stopped, vs. driving, and it lets me see the screen when someone calls so I know who it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B1Pilot View Post
    Big lesson for all: Don't buy music on iTunes. ITunes music can only play on apple devices... MP3s are an open standard that all music players can play. Use Amazon which has DRM-free (unprotected) MP3 files for the same or cheaper cost. MP3s purchased on amazon import directly into iTunes and work on all devices apple or not
    Subject drift....

    I see that someone doesn't know that you can use iTunes to convert AAC files from apple (which have been DRM free for several years now) to MP3. In other words, your warning is at least several years out of date and does not apply to the current state of affairs.

    Conversion is a minor hassle. You have to temporarily change your preferences -> general -> import settings to MP3. Then you select the song and use the Advanced-> create MP3 menu option. You'll wind up with a copy of your song in MP3 format. Drag the MP3 version to your desktop or some folder and delete it from iTunes.

    When you are finished don't forget to reset your import setting back to AAC. The AAC encoder typically gives you better quality in a smaller file size.

    Now back to Schuberth helmets...

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    Yes, I guess there is a temporal aspect to my argument... I am fully aware that new music on iTunes is now .m4a (the DRM-free form of aac) that is DRM free can can be converted easily -- but its only been this way since April of 2009. If the music was purchased prior to this, it is likely to be .m4p (the DRM-protected form of aac) that cannot be easily converted.

    My original message acknowledged the possibility of both, assumed that his collection had both. If he's like me with a lot of music purchased pre-2009, it will take lengthy steps to remove the DRM. Alternatively, iTunes will do this for you for 30 cents a song (go to iTunes store, and look for the iTunes Plus button the right) - nothing like paying more for what you already supposedly own.

    Once you have all your music as .m4a, converting them into mp3s also creates a second file of the song... if you have 15,000 songs like I do, that takes up a lot of space.

    I still stand by my recommendation to buy from amazon vs. iTunes because it is cheaper, and already in mp3 format (i'll debate the audio quality issue -- unless you are using FLAC or AIFF, it's a wash). iTunes is still a necessary evil for synching apple devices, and im not just some hater. I have 8 apple devices in my household and I own stock in Apple!

    Bottomline: you can buy a file from iTunes and convert it one or twice to get it to play on your Zumo, or you can buy a mp3 and have it ready to play it on all your devices, and only need to maintain one copy.


    And yes, the Schuberth C3 is awesome... Rob Nye's review was great and I look forward to his SRC System review.

    Cheers!

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    All the music I bought from iTunes plays just fine on my Android phone. I do not think that Double Twist (think iTunes for Android) made a second copy on my computer.
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    Thumbs up

    Back to the topic at hand. I'm giving a really BIG thumbs up to Schuberth USA.

    My C2 started exhibiting sun-visor disconnect (it no longer when up/down with the lever on the side of the helmet.) I'd heard that Schuberth had been fixing and generally refurb'ing helmets at rallies the new US branch of the company attended.

    I sent an email asking how I could get the visor problem fixed - and the reply was "Send it to us.." I asked how much, and the reply was "Free.."

    So I did - and it was free, plus they put a new inner liner in, a new faceshield, cleaned up a few things and returned it - no charge.

    A company that stands behind their product that well - and offers a quality (even if expensive) product is rare - but I can say Schuberth does.

    A big up for Schuberth USA. And my next helmet will again be another Schuberth (my C2 is my 4th..)
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    When I went to daytona I tried one and was surprised that I take a large instead of the xl I usually wear. The fit and comfort were excellent and it felt like I had my earplugs in. I'll be getting one soon. I just wish they had better colors. I wanted white but its such a plain white. Immagine a plain white piece of plastic, that's it. If they could copy the womans pearl white it would be perfect. I'll probably get the silver as a result. Quality is excellent and the warranty is superb. Within the first 3 years they will replace your helmet for 1/3rd of the price if its damaged in an accident.
    I'm going to stay with my scala g4 since all I need is the cradle with wired mic and I can move it between my helmets. Its also easier to work the buttons on the external unit vs trying to find a button on a neck roll with gloves.
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    Be advised that if you go outside the USA to purchase a helmet Schuberth will not offer any assistance what-so-ever.

    Unfortunate, because they were unavailable prior to their return to the US.

    Not sure why they refuse to stand behind a product, except for obvious liability reasons, no matter where it was purchased during their absence. Also wonder why the premium as a US purchase compared to what is offered in Europe.
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    Schuberth C-3

    I purchased a Schuberth C3 from JC Motors in California a couple of weeks ago and I couldn't be happier with my purchase or the service from this company. I have used the C-2 over the last several years and was on the fence about spending the money on the C-3, but I can tell you that the changes in the C-3 make it worth the investment. The 5 year warranty and replacement program for US bought helmets made it a little easier to swallow the price as well. I read Rob Nye's article and would say that he's done a good job of pointing out the features on this helmet so I won't repeat this information here. A word to the wise for those considering ordering over the internet, use their sizing chart and measure your head before you order. I was an XL in the C-2 and I'm a L in the C-3. The C-3 is a great helmet IMHO.

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    First,

    I apologize for inadvertantly hijacking the thread for a bit but THANKS to B1Pilot and all for the info on i-tunes/mp3!

    We tried the C3 and the C3W at Sierra when the lovely US rep was there with her C3W. They are definately a spring purchase for us. The fit and the quiet are remarkable compared the the C2 version we have had since '06.

    Again, thanks to all for the info, advice, and insight!

    Stan Moore
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